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Kesuvos Chart #5

Kesuvos Daf 11b-15a

THE KESUVAH OF A WOMAN WHO WAS FOUND TO BE A
"MUKAS ETZ" OR A "BE'ULAH" AND THE HUSBAND
DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE THE MARRIAGE(1)
  (A)
MUKAS ETZ 		(B)
BE'ULAH
1) RAMI BAR CHAMA 0 0
2) RAVA (originally) Rabanan: 0
R. Meir: 200(2) 		0
3) RAV SHESHES,
REBBI YOCHANAN (13a) 		Rabanan: 100
R. Meir: 200		 100(4)
4) RAVA (after he changed his view),
REBBI ELAZAR (13a) 		Rabanan: 100(3)
R. Meir: 200 		0(5)
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FOOTNOTES:
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(1) If the husband knew about it before the marriage, everyone agrees that the Kesuvah of a Be'ulah is 100. The Kesuvah of a Mukas Etz is 100 according to the Rabanan and 200 according to Rebbi Meir (Mishnah 11a). The Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Rabanan is that Rebbi Meir compares a Mukas Etz to a Bogeres (who does not have her full Besulim, but since she did not cohabitate she *is* a Besulah), and the Rabanan compare her to a Be'ulah (since an act was done to her to cause her to lose her Besulim).
(2) Rava argues with Rami bar Chama, based on the Mishnah (13a) of "Mukas Etz Ani," in which it is clear that one who claims she was a Mukas Etz receives more than a Be'ulah (at least according to Rebbi Meir).
(3) According to Rava after he changed his view (and according to Rebbi Elazar) the Mishnah (13a) can be expressing the view of the Rabanan who argue with Rebbi Meir. The husband claims she deserves nothing (since he married her thinking that she was a Besulah, and he found her to be a Be'ulah), and she claims that she is a Mukas Etz and is entitled to 100.
(4) Rav Sheshes (and Rebbi Yochanan) hold that the Mishnah (13a) is in accordance with Rebbi Meir. The husband claims that she is entitled to only 100 since he found her to be a Be'ulah, and she claims that she is entitled to 200 since she is a Mukas Etz.
(5) Rava's reason, after he changed his view, is that when the Mishnah (12b) says that the husband claims that she became a Be'ulah before the Erusin and "the Mekach is a Mekach Ta'us," the words "Mekach Ta'us" imply that she receives *nothing* for her Kesuvah, since she was found to be a Be'ulah (in contrast to Rav Sheshes who says that she still gets 100). Nevertheless, if she was found to be a Mukas Etz, even though her Kesuvah is diminished to 100, it is *not* a Mekach Ta'us, "because he is not so particular about Mukas Etz" (TOSFOS DH l'Rabanan).

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