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1. A Sukah built too high 2. Calling a Pesach "a Pesach" 3. Eruvin chart #1: THE FOUR DOMAINS OF SHABBOS
4. Lechi alternatives 5. What does tos. d"h d'csiv saying 6. Curtains (from Point by Point Outline of the Daf)
7. "Pesach Ohel Mo'ed" 8. Mechitzah ha'Mafsik or ha'Mukaf 9. The Tzuras ha'Pesach of the Heichal
10. A general question about modern Eruvin 11. Pesukim cited in the Gemara that do not exist 12. Techumim (the distance of walking out of town)
13. Heichal V.S. Ulam 14. אל פתח אולם הבית לפי רש"י 15. נר חנוכה למעלה מכ'
DAF DISCUSSIONS - ERUVIN 2

Zeliglaw asked:

Do we consider a lechi and korah as a mechitza hamafsik or a mechitza hamukaf? I believe that the Chazon Ish and the Mishnah Brerurah dissagree as to whether a tzuras ha pesach operates as a real mechitza hamakif ( See Rav Schachter's article in the RJJ Journal).

The Kollel replies:

We do not have access to the RJJ Journal, nor do we know to which one you are referring.

Please define the terms "Mechitzah ha'Mafsik" and "Mechitzah ha'Mukaf" for us so that we might be able to see if there are any indications in the Rishonim concerning how Lechi and Korah work in the context of those terms. (In general, the more specific your question is, the better we will be able to help you!)

Be well!

Steven Brizel commented:

>>Do we consider a lechi and korah as a mechitza hamafsik or a mechitza

hamukaf? I believe that the Chazon Ish and the Mishnah Brerurah dissagree as

to whether a tzuras ha pesach operates as a real mechitza hamakif ( See Rav

Schachter's article in the RJJ Journal).<<

In Volume 5 of the RJJ Journal,Rav Schachter has an excellent introductory article to Hilchos Eruvin. At pp 9-10, the question is raised whether a tzuras hapesach works to permit hotzah in a carmelis , as opposed to a reshus harabim . The Chazon Ish ( Orach Chaim 70:13) brings a proof that the the tzuras hapesach works even on the level of a din min haTorah from the issur kelayim. One means of avoiding this issur is a tzuras hapesach.

According to Rav Schachter, several Acharonim rejected this argument. Their argument is that kilayim and Eruvin require different types of mechitzos. Tzuras hapesach is a mechitza hamafsekes, as opposed to a mechitza hamakefet (separation as opposed to enclosure). Rav Schachter points out that despite the "refutation of his proof, it is the opinion of the Chazon Ish which is widely accepted today."

The critical Gemara on this issue is in Eruvin 12a.

The Kollel replies:

Thank you for pointing out that discussion!