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1. Breaking a Stick, Compared to Torah Temimah 2. Zerikah That Splits Up 3. לטהר כלי ע"ז במקוה
DAF DISCUSSIONS - AVODAH ZARAH 51

michaeljrubin asks:

The gemara says that only a zerika that separates is considered a zerika. What about the corresponding avoda by a minchas soles where the flour was mized with oil - was it dough-y? Or dabbing the keranos of the mizbeach by a chatas? Would this not be similar to zerika? Or alternatively good enough as a corresponding avodah in the mikdash?

Thank you!

Michael Jacob Rubin

Brooklyn, New York

The Kollel replies:

This is a very interesting question!

1) However, I should have thought that if we are comparing a korban to a mincha, then we should the use the rule that Rashi Zevachim 11a (DH She-Lo) gives us about how menachos are compared to zevachim for the 4 services. Rashi writes that Haktarah corresponds to Zerikah; burning the flour-offering on the mizbeach corresponds to sprinkling the blood.

Since Haktarah does not "separate", I would have said that the idea of "splitting up does not apply to a minchah.

2) I think that dabbing the keranos of the mizbeach by a chatas is very similar to zerika.

I will have to try and have another think about this!

Just one or two short comments to try and make the issue clearer.

1) The Rosh here 4:1 writes that a "zerika that separates" is only required concerning something which is not brought as a korban inside the Beit Hamikdash; for instance breaking a stick. In contrast, if a minchah baked in the oven was placed in front of the Avoda Zara, this would render it forbidden to a Yisrael, because placing a mincha baked in the oven is an avoda in the Beit Hamikdash.

2) So dabbing the keranos of the mizbeach would be an act of avoda zara which would make the animal forbidden, because this is exactly similar to the zerika done in the Beit Hamikdash, and therefore is considered "ke'ein pnim"; "similar to what was done inside the Beit Hamikdash".

Shavua Tov

Dovid Bloom