More Discussions for this daf
1. Good eyesight and saving the witnesses 2. Ein Onshin Min ha'Din 3. R. Yehuda Ben Tabbai and R. Shimon Ben Shetach
4. Witnesses Plotting 5. v'Hitzilu ha'Eidah 6. Miracles and Halachah
7. Punishing Edim Zomemim 8. The Gemara answers by saying it's a good question 9. Edim Zomemim dividing their punishment
10. Edim Zomemim 11. Rashi and Tosfos 12. Judges
DAF DISCUSSIONS - MAKOS 5

Jared asked:

IF THE HALACHA IS THAT EDIM ZOMEMIM ONLY GET THE HAZAMA PENALTY IF THERE HAS BEEN A GMAR DIN BUT THE PUNNISHMENT HAS NOT YET BEEN INSTITUTED, HOW WILL THE HAZAMA PENALTY OF MAKOS EVER BE GIVEN IN THE CASE OF BEN GRUSHA UBEN CHALUTZA? ONCE THE COURT BELIEVES THE TESTIMONY OF THE WITNESSES AND ISSUES A GMAR DIN THAT THE PERSON IS IN FACT A BEN GRUSHA ETC., THE PUNNISHMENT(IE. THAT THE PERSON BECOMES A CHALAL)IMMEDIATELY COMES INTO EFFECT, AND ITS TOO LATE TO GIVE THE HAZAMA PENALTY?

Question, NEW YORK, USA

The Kollel replies:

Tosfos in Bava Kama (4b) writes that we do not say "Ka'asher Asah" on something that is reversible.

D. Zupnik

asks:

Thanks for the response. Would the same thing apply to IR Miklat? Meaning, that even though the person is sent to ir miklat we can always take him out when the new testimony comes to light. So, if the person is sent to ir miklat based on the testimony of witnesses A&B and then witnesses C&D come and are mezamem witnesses A&B, do A&B get the hazama penalty (makos) in this case even though the original guy was already sent to the IR Miklat?

The Kollel replies:

I believe so.

D. Zupnik