More Discussions for this daf
1. Hitting one's son 2. Patricide 3. Ko'ach Kocho
4. Ketzirah Dumya d'Charishah 5. Malkus for "Yisrael Al Yedei Eved/Kusi" 6. Umnus Achrita (Father goes to Galus for killing son)

Mark Bergman asked:

The Gemoro on 8b says "Makeh Nefesh, Prat LeMakeh Oviv", and excludes hitting a father since there is a Chiyuv Misah for that.

If I am correct, the chiyuv Misah is only where there is a wound (chaburah), so couldn't the Gemoro suggest a case where the person killed his father without making a wound (e.g. suffocation)

Mark Bergman

The Kollel replies:

Minchas Chinuch (48) writes that killing can be deduced from Chaburah, with the Sevarah of Mah Li Katlah Palgah Mah li Katlah Kulah.

D. Zupnik