More Discussions for this daf
1. A "certain town" and fixed Kesubos 2. Carrying the Milah knife in Reshus ha'Rabim 3. Testifying for oneself
4. Rashi on going from a house on one side of mavoi to the other 5. Asra D'Rebbi Yehuda Ben Beseira 6. City that followed the view of Rebbi Eliezer
DAF DISCUSSIONS - SHABBOS 130

Jeff Ram asked:

1. On daf 130a we learn about a town who performed the mitzva of bris milah according to Rebbe Eliezer, and this town did not come under the "gezeiros" of the Romans preventing milah.

1. Do we have a source citing which town this was?

2. Do we have any sources telling us why it was this particular town,

and no other that had the z'chus not to fall under the g'zeira?

A little futher on the daf, we learn that Yisrael accepted the Mitzvah of Arayos with reluctance. In your "Answers to Review Questions", # 3(a), you say: "which is why, to this day, there is not a Kesubah over? which there is not a Machlokes (before the Kesubos were fixed)." The simple reading (to me and also in our shiur) seems to say that it has to do with arguments in the marriage (between husband and wife). Could you provide me with a source for your comment on kesubos?

warm regards,

Jeff Ram

Jerusalem

The Kollel replies:

1. I could not find anyone who discusses the identity of this city. Perhaps it was Lud, Rebbi Eliezer's town (Sanhedrin 32b); it makes sense that the people of that city would follow Rabbi Eliezer's opinion.

2. The Gemara here tells us that they were saved because they were Mechalel Shabbos even for Mach'shirei Milah. The Maharasha explains that the people of this city were rewarded Midah k'Neged Midah, measure for measure. Since they were so scrupulous to perform Milah in its proper time that they even performed Melachah on Shabbos in order to make the instruments necessary for Milah, they were rewarded that their deaths would only come at their destined time and not earlier (e.g. as a result of the Roman persecution).

It is not clear that the Gemara is telling us that only the people of this city were spared and no one else; perhaps others were spared as well, for other reasons and other Zechuyos, but the Gemara felt that it was necessary to tell us about this city in particular.

3. TOSFOS in Kesubos (2a; DH l'Yom ha'Revi'i) understands that it is referring to the preparation of the Kesubah itself (see also Nidah 65b and Rashi there, DH Shani Kesubah).

Be well,

Y. SHAW