More Discussions for this daf
1. The Ran 2. Question on Rebbi Yehudah in the name of Shmuel 3. Rav Huna - the whole Perek is Rebbi Yosi
4. Rebbi Yochanan in Revach La'Daf
DAF DISCUSSIONS - NEDARIM 82

ike sultan asked:

r' yehuda in name of shmuel said if a women vowed for 2 breads, one she likes and one she doesn't, the husband can only revoke one of them. i looked at the footnotes for this gemara and it said she made the vow on the loaves in one neder. what about the concept of "hutar miksato hutar kulo"?additionally the same question goes on the mishna from nedarim 90 which says that a husband only his share in the neder made by his wife who removed herself from the jews. once the husband is mefer any part of it shouldn't it annul the rest as well?

thanks

ike sultan, west orange,nj

The Kollel replies:

Actually, Rav Yehudah is the one who says both can be revoked, while Rav Asi in the name of Rebbi Yochanan says he can only revoke the one which causes her pain. The Ran explains that Rav Asi understands that while "Yifirenu" -- "he should nullify it" indeed implies that one must nullify an entire vow and not half of it, this only refers to as much of the vow as is permissible to nullify. Being that he has no jurisidiction over the entire vow, we do not say that the part he has jurisdiction over affects the part over which he has no jurisdiction(almost as if it were two separate vows). The same therefore applies to the Gemara in Nedarim 90 that you mentioned. Indeed, Rav Yehudah argues that one vow must be totally nullified or not nullified at all, which is why he says that the entire vow is nullified (as he has jurisdiction over part of the vow, it must be that the entire vow is nullified). However, Rav Asi argues that this is not the correct perspective, as explained above.

All the best,

Yaakov Montrose