More Discussions for this daf
1. The Time Of Kerias Shema of the Morning 2. Kerias Shema after midnight 3. Hash-m sefasei tiftach
4. The time for reading Shema 5. Be'chipazon - 6. Burning Kodshim on Yom Tov?
7. Vatikin versus Daf Yomi shiur 8. Contradiction within Rashi 9. Hanetz Hachamah
10. Sharp questions 11. Time the Malchei Umos ha'Olam Arise in the Morning 12. Lo Sechanim and Paskening Like Your Rebbi
13. Following the Ruling of your Rebbi 14. Earliest Time To Daven Shacharis 15. Saying Shema with Sunrise
16. Makas Bechoros 17. Vatikin and Acherim 18. Oso Tzadik
19. They "borrowed" from the Egyptians 20. Zman Krias Shema 21. Various questions (Leaving Egypt, Eliyahu, Ge'ulah l'Tefilah)
22. The sons of Raban Gamliel and their question 23. Achilas Korban Pesach 24. Vasikin
25. כדאי הוא ר' פלוני לסמוך עליו בשעת הדחק

Harav Elimelech Guttman asks:

1) 9b How is the gemora 'Aneini Hash-m Aneini' connected to anything that the gemoramentioned earlier? and why is this gemora repeated?

2) 9b Rashi in d"h Mei Kra explains that the proper time for Tfilah is WITH the netz 26a Rashi in d"h L'vosikin explains that the proper time for Tfilah is AFTER the netz. How do we explain this seemingly contradiction?

3) 3b Rav Ashi adds on to the words of Rebbe Nasan that a mishmar and a half can also be called two mishmaros. The question is that if we would not come on to the extra 2 hours of when the other melachim woke up, then since we are only dealing with a period of 6 hours, why would we be forced to understand that Rebbe Nasan held 4+2 and that there are 3 periods of 4 hours, maybe they imply 3+3 and there are really 4 periods of 3 hours, like Rebbe?

4) 3b What is the Hashkafa understanding in "Lchu U'Pushtu Yedeichem B'Gdud" in other words why was that the right thing to do?

5) 3b Also, according to Rashi in d"h V'nimlachin that explains that they asked Sanhedrin so that they should daven for their success, it would have made much more sense to ask the Urim V'Tumim first, in case it would say that they would not be successful?

The Kollel replies:

1)Excellent point! I understood that this Drasha and the previous one were loosely related, since (a) both are explaining the meaning of the double verb, and (b) in both cases, Moshe/Eliyahu were afraid that the Jews will not want to listen to them and accept them as messengers (Moshe, because he was threatening them with another Galus; Eliyahu, because he was telling them to destroy their beloved idols and change their ways.)

2) Note also Rashi 29b who again says with Hanetz. I believe that this is not a contradiction, though. "With" Hanetz means adjacent to it, that is, either the beginning of Shemoneh Esreh or its end should be with the rising/setting sun. The verse means neither to Daven before or afterwards; SE of Shacharis must be said after Hanetz while SE of Minchah must be said before sunset. This is called "with" the sun.

The Rashi on 26a however is discussing only the morning SE, as opposed to the other two Rashis. That is why he says that it is recited after sunrise.

3) Sorry, I don't understand. Rebbi Nasan finds what he considers an irrefutable source for 3 4-hour Mishmaros in the word Tichonah. Why should he change his opinion on that matter?

4) David was advising them to reclaim areas which the gentiles had taken from the Jews earlier, but the Jews were afraid to fight over. Alternatively, he was referring to areas of Israel that had never been conquered. Another possibility is that he allowed them to kill the nations that were deserving of death in any case (such as those who killed David's father and brothers), like the Ramban in Vayishlach in his discussion of Shechem.

5) The rule is that we never ask for Hash-m's more direct intervention until all other means at our disposal have been tried. It is the last on the line, since we don't want to be impudent and bother the Ribono Shel Olam over every question.

I hope this answers your questions.

Be well, and best regards,