More Discussions for this daf
1. The Time Of Kerias Shema of the Morning 2. Kerias Shema after midnight 3. Hash-m sefasei tiftach
4. The time for reading Shema 5. Be'chipazon - 6. Burning Kodshim on Yom Tov?
7. Vatikin versus Daf Yomi shiur 8. Contradiction within Rashi 9. Hanetz Hachamah
10. Sharp questions 11. Time the Malchei Umos ha'Olam Arise in the Morning 12. Lo Sechanim and Paskening Like Your Rebbi
13. Following the Ruling of your Rebbi 14. Earliest Time To Daven Shacharis 15. Saying Shema with Sunrise
16. Makas Bechoros 17. Vatikin and Acherim 18. Oso Tzadik
19. They "borrowed" from the Egyptians 20. Zman Krias Shema 21. Various questions (Leaving Egypt, Eliyahu, Ge'ulah l'Tefilah)
22. The sons of Raban Gamliel and their question 23. Achilas Korban Pesach 24. Vasikin
25. כדאי הוא ר' פלוני לסמוך עליו בשעת הדחק
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 9

David Kalb asked:

Dear Rav:

I have some questions about Hanaitz Hachamah (sunrise)?

1. What is the sources for reciting Shema before Hanaitz Hachamah (sunrise)? Is it Bidayevad?

2. What is the sources for reciting Amidah before Hanaitz Hachamah (sunrise)? Is it Bidayevad?

3. Is there such a position which states that if you recite Shema before Hanaitz Hachamah (sunrise), that you should recite the Shema again, after or at Hanaitz Hachamah (sunrise)?

4. What is the sources for starting the Amidah exactly at Hanaitz Hachamah (sunrise)?

5. Is there such a position which states that you should recite the Shema exactly at Hanaitz Hachamah (sunrise)?

Please give exact sources for all answers.

Thanks and Shalom

David Kalb

The Kollel replies:

1) The Shulchan Aruch (O.C. 58:1) Paskens, based on our Mishnah, that one can recite Kriyas Shema in the morning from the time when he is able to recognize a good friend from four Amos away, until three hours (Zemaniyos) into the day. b'Dieved, one can fulfill Kriyas Shema if he recites it anytime after Alos Hashachar. The Mishnah Berurah (58:2) explains that as some people rise at that hour, there is still a fulfillment (b'Dieved) of the Pasuk "u'Vekumecha."

2,4) The Shulchan Aruch (89:1) Paskens, based on the Mishnah and Gemara in Berachos (26a), that the optimal time for the Amidah of Shacharis is ha'Neitz ha'Chamah. One can Daven, as is accepted practice, through the fourth hour of the day (Zemaniyos). b'Dieved, one can still Daven Shemoneh Esreh until Chatzos, and as early as Alos ha'Shachar.

3) The Shulchan Aruch (58:1-2) Paskens that it is optimal to read Kriyas Shema before ha'Netz ha'Chamah, as do those who Daven Vasikin. It is therefore clear that there is nothing wrong with solely reading Kriyas Shema before ha'Netz ha'Chamah, unless it is before the time he can recite Kriyas Shema l'Chatchila (as stated above in answer #1).

5) Not that I am aware of.

Note: I assume that the questions above were asked in the context of Halachah l'Ma'aseh, not whether or not there are opinions, which are not Halachically significant, which maintain otherwise.

All the best,

Yaakov Montrose

Dear Rav:

In reference to your note, while I am interested in the Halachah l'Ma'aseh, I would also be interested in other opinions that you feel are not Halachically significant, which maintain otherwise.

Please respond with exact sources.

Thanks and Shalom

David Kalb

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