More Discussions for this daf
1. Freeing one's self 2. Afflictions of Love 3. Tenth son
4. Davening 5. Aba Shaul was upset for only two things in his life 6. Keri'at Shema Al ha'Mitah
7. Exemptions to the Bedtime Shema 8. Yisurim Shel Ahavah 9. The tooth borne by Rebbi Yochanan
10. Reference Gemara 11. Forced to sell 12. Al Tikrei
13. correction Afflictions of Love 14. Loss of Children 15. Olam HaBa
16. TALMID CHOCHUM 17. Rav Yochanan and the bone of his tenth son
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 5

Hershel Teaman asked:

Dear Rabbi:

I am perplexed at the concept as set forth in R' Feldman's point by point summary: <<(k) Answer: If one had children and lost them, this is an affliction of love (the mourning atones for him).>>

Would you say this atonement is guaranteed, in similar fashion to "if a master knocks out the eye...? Or is it conditional, i.e. that the mourning process has within it the potential to motivate one to do teshuvah? For example, does atonement apply in the case where the bereaved decides to become a non-believer (e.g. Elisha Ben Avuya in BT Kidushin 9)?

Hershel

New Jersey USA

Hershel Teaman, New Jersey, USA

The Kollel replies:

You will no doubt, recall, that on Amud Alef (on the previous page) that in order to be classified as 'an affliction of love' a. one has to be basically without sin, and b. it must not cause Bitul Torah or Bitul Tefilah. It seems to me that, under such circumstances, the chances of becoming a non-believer as a result are remote indeed.

R. Eliezer Chrysler