More Discussions for this daf
1. Three reasons to keep away from a Churvah 2. The signs of Mishmaros 3. The end of the Ashmuros
4. Simanim for the end of night 5. Tosfos DH v'Ein, Sparing the rich 6. Answering Tosfos' question
7. King David 8. Source of R. Yehuda's opinion of plag hamincha 9. Q&A Answer #1a
10. What we can say before the Mes 11. Tosfos DH Kashya 12. How many Mishmaros
13. The signs for the Mishmaros 14. Rebbi Nasan 15. Dovid Hamelech's Evening Schedule
16. Churvah 17. Time of Going to Bed 18. Mishmaros
19. A Handful Doesn't Feed a Lion 20. Sending out to war 21. Times of the Mishmaros; When is midnight
22. Ashmuros; Urim v'Tumim 23. King David's harp 24. Fooling the angels; 3 or 4 Ashmuros
25. King David sending the nation to war 26. Source for Ashmoros 27. query
28. חצות לילה היה עוסק בדברי תורה
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 3

yehoshua rabinowitz asked:

why does the gemaras say that that R' Eliezer is really talking about the end of the moshmarios and for a person in a dark house, you could answer just as well that were talking about the begining of the mishmaros and someone is in a dark house so he can't tell if 3 stars are out yet so when he hears the donkey braying he'll know to get up and say krias shema! I love the site and you people are great marbeizi toreah

yehoshua rabinowitz, b.h., l.a.

The Kollel replies:

Your plan only solves half the problem. The second answer of the Gemara wants to improve on the first answer, and not be forced to say that the Simanim are just for the different times of the Mishmar. If we say that they are all at the end then we have a reason for both the first Siman (end of time for reciting the night Shema) and for the last Siman (beginning of morning Shema in a dark house). Therefore we choose to say the end Siman.

Dov Zupnik

Anonymous asked:

SO MAYBE NEED SIMAN FOR FIRST MISHMAR FOR SOMEONE IN DARK ROOM

Anonymous

The Kollel replies:

Here is what the Kollel answered to a similar question. Please let us know if this is not enough.

Best wishes,

Kollel Iyun Hadaf

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Berachos 003: The end of the Ashmuros

yehoshua rabinowitz asked:

why does the gemaras say that that R' Eliezer is really talking about the end of

the moshmarios and for a person in a dark house, you could answer just as well

that were talking about the begining of the mishmaros and someone is in a dark

house so he can't tell if 3 stars are out yet so when he hears the donkey

braying he'll know to get up and say krias shema!

I love the site and you people are great marbeizi toreah

yehoshua rabinowitz, b.h., l.a.

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The Kollel replies:

Your plan only solves half the problem. The second answer of the Gemara wants to improve on the first answer, and not be forced to say that the Simanim are just for the different times of the Mishmar. If we say that they are all at the end then we have a reason for both the first Siman (end of time for reciting the night Shema) and for the last Siman (beginning of morning Shema in a dark house). Therefore we choose to say the end Siman.

Dov Zupnik