More Discussions for this daf
1. Emes v'Yatziv d'Oraisa 2. Ba'al Keri and reciting Torah 3. Berachos mid'Oraisa
4. Difficult Kal v'Chomer 5. Tevillah for Ba'alas Keri 6. Interrupting in Middle of Tefilah
7. Davening long 8. Rebbi Yochanan 9. Rebbi Yochanan's Kal va'Chomer
10. Correction to Point by Point 11. Emes at the end of Keri'as Shema 12. Praying twice, twice
13. Using a Verse for Multiple Purposes 14. Anusas Aviv 15. Bending when the Tzibur gets to Modim
16. Tefilah on Shabbos 17. Tefilas Nedavah 18. Semuchim
19. Malchus 20. Shemoni Esrei with Tzibur 21. shema or emes viyatziv being derabanan or deoraysa

simon kahn asks:

What would have been the "result" of Rav Yochanan's Kal Vachomer - Deoraisa, or Deraban. Asssuming Deoraisa, then after the first side of the Kal Vachomer, the Kal Vachomer falls apart! "Uma Torah that does not require a bracha after it ... " - but it is required! You just learned that in a Kal Vachomer!

simon kahn, Jerusalem, Israel

The Kollel replies:

Your question is indeed asked by the Pnei Yehoshua (DH Amar Rebbi Yochanan). His answer is that when Rebbi Yochanan says, "u'Mah Torah...," he does not mean literally that it does not need any Berachah afterwards, but rather that it only requires one Berachah afterwards, as opposed to Birkas ha'Mazon where three Berachos are required afterwards (mid'Oraisa). He discusses whether the Kal va'Chomer is mid'Oraisa, and concludes that it is mid'Oraisa.

All the best,

Yaakov Montrose