More Discussions for this daf
1. Emes v'Yatziv d'Oraisa 2. Ba'al Keri and reciting Torah 3. Berachos mid'Oraisa
4. Difficult Kal v'Chomer 5. Tevillah for Ba'alas Keri 6. Interrupting in Middle of Tefilah
7. Davening long 8. Rebbi Yochanan 9. Rebbi Yochanan's Kal va'Chomer
10. Correction to Point by Point 11. Emes at the end of Keri'as Shema 12. Praying twice, twice
13. Using a Verse for Multiple Purposes 14. Anusas Aviv 15. Bending when the Tzibur gets to Modim
16. Tefilah on Shabbos 17. Tefilas Nedavah 18. Semuchim
19. Malchus 20. Shemoni Esrei with Tzibur 21. shema or emes viyatziv being derabanan or deoraysa

david asks:

why should torah be considered kal because no brocho is needed (clearly written -Rachi)afterwards,knowing that a brocho is needed before, what is not the case for mozon. And why should mozon be considered kal because no brocho is needed before,knowing that a brocho is needed afterwards, what is not the case for torah.I saw the question of the pnei yehochoua but his question is based on the result of the kal vochomer which seems to contradict the basis of the other kal vochomer and that is not my question at all.

david, paris france

The Kollel replies:

Dear David,

You make a good point. However, it is obvious that the Gemara does not consider an "after" Berachah as a fill-in equal to a "beginning" Berachah, and vice versa. Perhaps there is a different idea behind each different Berachah depending on its time position. Therefore, the "before" Berachah and the "after" Berachah are two separate different Chomerim.

All the best,

Reuven Weiner