More Discussions for this daf
1. Emes v'Yatziv d'Oraisa 2. Ba'al Keri and reciting Torah 3. Berachos mid'Oraisa
4. Difficult Kal v'Chomer 5. Tevillah for Ba'alas Keri 6. Interrupting in Middle of Tefilah
7. Davening long 8. Rebbi Yochanan 9. Rebbi Yochanan's Kal va'Chomer
10. Correction to Point by Point 11. Emes at the end of Keri'as Shema 12. Praying twice, twice
13. Using a Verse for Multiple Purposes 14. Anusas Aviv 15. Bending when the Tzibur gets to Modim
16. Tefilah on Shabbos 17. Tefilas Nedavah 18. Semuchim
19. Malchus 20. Shemoni Esrei with Tzibur 21. shema or emes viyatziv being derabanan or deoraysa

Efraim Goldstein asked:

We have said previously that any beracha that contains the formula Baruch Ata Hashe Elokeinu Melech Haolam is considered Malchus.

As such we concluded that tefilah (shemone esreh) is not malchus, and so on.

The gemarah then states that Birchas Hamazon also is not malchus. Yet, the begining of Birchat Hamazon does contain the above mentioned formula.

Can you please explain the Chiluk between being mekabel ol malchus shamayim in shema and malchus of a beracha that contains the above mentioned formula.

thank you

as an aside - i am in awe by your amazing enterprize in limud hadaf yomi.

Efraim Goldstein, Holliswood, NY USA

Michael S. Winokur asked:

The gemara says that there is no malchut shemayim in birchat hamazon. Assuming that malchut shemayim refers to "melech haolam" in the formula of a berachah, how can we say that birchath hamazon does not contain malchut shemayim?

I asked this question to my magid shiur and was told that this meant that malchut shemayim was not contained in the secobnd and thir berachot. However, this explanation did not appear satisfactory to me because usually the initial formula of a berachah containing malchut shemayim is omitted where a berachah is semuchah lechavertah.

Can someone come up with a better explanation?

Michael S. Winokur, Forest Hills, New York, U.S.A.

The Kollel replies:

Rashi, who is bothered by your question, gives two explanations: He either changes the text to 've'Harei Birchas ha'Mazon Lefanehah de'Is bah Malchus Shamayim ... ve'Eino Mevarech Lefanav' or he changes the meaning of 'Malchus Shamayim' to what we call 'Kabalas Ol Malchus Shamayim', which we do when we read the Sh'ma but not when we recite Birchas Shamayim.

Either way, your problem is solved.

Kol Tuv,

R. Eliezer Chrysler