More Discussions for this daf
1. Emes v'Yatziv d'Oraisa 2. Ba'al Keri and reciting Torah 3. Berachos mid'Oraisa
4. Difficult Kal v'Chomer 5. Tevillah for Ba'alas Keri 6. Interrupting in Middle of Tefilah
7. Davening long 8. Rebbi Yochanan 9. Rebbi Yochanan's Kal va'Chomer
10. Correction to Point by Point 11. Emes at the end of Keri'as Shema 12. Praying twice, twice
13. Using a Verse for Multiple Purposes 14. Anusas Aviv 15. Bending when the Tzibur gets to Modim
16. Tefilah on Shabbos 17. Tefilas Nedavah 18. Semuchim
19. Malchus 20. Shemoni Esrei with Tzibur 21. shema or emes viyatziv being derabanan or deoraysa

Yosey asks:

The Gemmora quotes Reb Yehuda in the name of Shmuel, If starts Davening, Shemona Esray, and then he realizes that he has already davened he must stop where he is. The gemmorah later quotes another Reb Yehuda in the name of Shmuel that says if one enters a shul and he finds the tzibbur davening, then IF he can say something "new" in his tefilloh then he should daven again.

The gemmorah then goes on to say "TZERICHAH" Both cases are needed. and it explains why.

OUR (My Chavrusah at night and with the daf) question is: This Tzericha seems unlike any other Tzericha in Shas. The reason is that these two quotes of Reb Yehuda in the name of Shmuel seemingly are two different topics, without being at all reptitive, Whiscj is usually the case when the Gemorah says Tzerichah.

Are we missing something?

Thanks SO much


Yosey Goldstein

The Kollel replies:

Yosey, it's true that the difference between the statements of Rav Yehudah seems obvious, but I think that subject of the Gemara's discussion is saying Shemoneh Esreh a second time. The Gemara considers it a "Chidush" that it is not permitted to pray Shemoneh Esreh twice. The fact that it is indeed not permitted is apparently the main point of Rav Yehudah's two statements. It is true that the first is dealing with a person who has already said twice half of SE, while the second is dealing with a person who wants to begin his second SE -- but isn't that the Gemara's logic in the conclusion of the Tzerichesa?

Be well,