More Discussions for this daf
1. Getting things through prayer 2. Dovid Hamelech and the Harp 3. The speed of the angels
4. Chamor No'er 5. Shema after Tefilla 6. Bedai
7. Moshe and Pharaoh's astrologers 8. Ge'ulah Samuch la'Tefilah 9. Eliyahu in 4 Flights; Rav Elazar bar Avina
10. The Logic of Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi 11. Rashi 12. Bushah & Kelimah
13. Verse proving David was not embarrassed 14. Ashrei 15. Rashi
16. Saying Shema before Shemoneh Esreh 17. Lulei 18. "Lulei"
19. Unneccessary repetition 20. Semichat Ge'ulah l'Tefilah 21. Interpretation of "BeShachbecha"
22. בחצות הלילה 23. King David dealing with Halachic issues
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 4

Daniel Strauchler wrote:

Please help with the following question:

The gemara on Brachos 4a-4b ask if the Chachamim hold like R' Eliezer or the R' Gamliel (Rashi - in their interpretation of the word "b'shachbecha"). It then ask a follow up question - if the chachamim hold like R' Gamliel, why don't they say like him. Finally it concludes that they were distancing people for sinning.

But this is all explicit in the end of the first mishna where R' Gamliel explains to his sons that the chachamim actually agree that shma can be said all night?

Thank You for your assistance,

Daniel Strauchler

The Kollel replies:

It seems to me that the Gemara prefers to arrive at its own independent conclusion, as to whether the Chachamim hold like Rebbi Eliezer or Raban Gamliel. The reason for this is because there are a few occasions in Shas, where one Tana misunderstood another. It is therefore feasible for Raban Gamliel to have thought that the Chachamim hold like him, when really they don't.

And the Gemara does indeed conclude that they concur with Raban Gamliel, just as he told his sons.

Kindest regards

Eliezer Chrysler.