Mark Bergman asked:
The Gemoro on 8b says "Makeh Nefesh, Prat LeMakeh Oviv", and excludes hitting a father since there is a Chiyuv Misah for that.
If I am correct, the chiyuv Misah is only where there is a wound (chaburah), so couldn't the Gemoro suggest a case where the person killed his father without making a wound (e.g. suffocation)
Mark Bergman
The Kollel replies:
Minchas Chinuch (48) writes that killing can be deduced from Chaburah, with the Sevarah of Mah Li Katlah Palgah Mah li Katlah Kulah.
D. Zupnik