More Discussions for this daf
1. v'Nashal or v'Nishal? 2. Galus 3. Euthanasia
4. Hillel and Shammai 5. Abaye's question 6. Next of Kin for Go'el ha'Dam
7. Derech Yeridah 8. Shogeg 9. Yesh Eim la'Mikra
10. bi'Shegagah Prat l'Meizid 11. Killer courts 12. Mezid
13. Who does not go to the Ir Miklat 14. pelach 15. Machlokes of R'Yochanan and R'Abahu
16. Machlokes Rebbi Avahu & Rav Yochanan 17. "Tree" in the Pasuk 18. Cities of refuge - Roller on roof
DAF DISCUSSIONS - MAKOS 7

Irwin asked:

I just learnt that killing a tereifah person is not considered killing insofar as it is not punishable. Does that mean that eutheanasia, where the person has a severeley defective organ that will result in his dying in a short time, is permissable according to Jewish law.

Irwin, Jerusalem

The Kollel replies:

No, euthanasia is certainly not permissible according to Jewish Law. When Rabbi Yochanan and Rabbi Elazar stated in our Gemara that someone who kills a Tereifah is exempt, this only means that he is exempt from being put to death by Beis Din, but he will nevertheless be punished in Heaven for his act.

This can be seen from what the Rambam writes in Hilchos Rotze'ach 2:8 that if somebody kills a Tereifah he is exempt from judgement at the hand of man, which implies that Hash-m will still judge him for this. In fact in the Frankel edition of the Rambam, in the Sefer Mafte'ach, a string of commentaries are cited who write that someone who killed a Tereifah will be punished in Shamayim. One of these commentaries is the Meiri (Sanhedrin 57b DH v'Kein l'Inyan) who writes that one is culpable of the death penalty for killing a Tereifah, but the Beis Din may not impose this. He writes that the king may kill such a murderer (if he sees fit for the public good) even though according to the strict letter of the law the Sanhedrin is not empowered to do this. This implies that killing a Tereifah is considered murder, but we find several cases which are considered murder even though the Beis Din may not impose the capital penalty.

[See the Rambam Rotze'ach 2:2-4 that someone who hires an agent to kill, or tied up his victim in front of the lion, or committed suicide, is culpable of the sin of killing even though the Beis Din cannot put him to death. Beis Din can only put to death someone who committed murder directly and if he killed a Tereifah - since the latter is not considered as a totally full form of life, but rather is "half-dead" because the process of dying has started since he cannot live more than 12 months - it follows that the Sanhedrin cannot put the murderer to death.]

An example of how one may not cease short-term life is found in Avodah Zarah 18a which relates how Rebbi Chanina ben Tradyon was burnt at the stake by the Romans. His disciples urged him to open his mouth so that the flames would enter quicker and he would suffer a less painful death. Rebbi Chanina replied, "It is better that Hash-m who gave me my soul should take it away from me, rather than I should hasten my death". One learns from this that hastening death is forbidden by the Torah.

[See also "You Shall Surely Heal" by R. Yaakov Weiner of the Jerusalem Center for Research - 02-5862226 - for an in-depth Halachic discussion of the treatment of the terminally ill.]

KOL TUV

D. Bloom

Moshgiach commented:

If memory serves me, the meforshim explain that his actions were lifnim meshores hadin or a matter of extreme piety. Ordinary people not of his caliber would not be required to prolong a painful death.

The Kollel replies:

(1) I think you may have in mind the commentary of the Iyun Yaakov on the Ein Yaakov on Avodah Zarah 18a. He asks from Tosfos Gitin 57b DH Koftzu why Rebbi Chanina ben Tradyon did not want to open his mouth to hasten his death. The Gemara Gitin 57b relates how 400 Jewish boys and girls were captured and were being transported by ship. They realized that the aim of their captors was to practice homosexuality on the boys and to sell the girls as concubines so they all decided to jump into the sea to prevent this, and one sees from the Gemara that they merited the World to Come for this self-sacrifice. Tosfos there asks from our Gemara that one sees from Rebbi Chanina that one is not allowed to commit suicide for such reasons, and Tosfos answers that the children were afraid they were going to be tortured. Tosfos cites Kesuvos 33b that if Chananya, Mishael and Azarya would have been tortured they would have bowed down to the image.

Iyun Yaakov therefore asks how does Rebbi Chanina's action concile with what Tosfos writes that "when one is afraid of suffering one may commit suicide"? The Iyun Yaakov answers that Rebbi Chanina's action was one of piety, even though he suffered great suffering from the prolonged death, but was not obligatory according to the Halachah. However the Iyun Yaakov concludes that from the words of Tosfos Avodah Zarah 18a DH v'Al it does not seem that Rebbi Chanina's action was merely piety, and the Iyun Yaakov concludes that this matter requires further research.

(2) However many commentaries disagree with the Iyun Yaakov's suggestion. See Teshuvas Chasam Sofer YD 326:3 DH Odos who discusses suicide in Halachah and writes that there is no doubt that suicide is a great crime and is included in the three cardinal sins of idol worship, immoral relations and murder. In fact the Chasam Sofer implies that it is worse than these because if someone did these he does at least receive atonement through the suffering of dying afterwards, while someone who murdered himself will not receive atonement through his own death since he caused it himself. The Chasam Sofer proves this from Rebbi Chanina - even though he was suffering greatly and death would be better for him than living (these are the words of the prophet Yonah 4:3) - nevertheless he would not hasten his death. The Chasam Sofer writes that it is clear from this that even though someone is suffering very greatly, nevertheless if he takes his own life he is considered a murderer, and dies wicked.

(The Chasam Sofer adds a cryptic comment that from this one can prove that the book "Besamim Rosh" is a forgery. There was a book published in the time of the the Chasam Sofer whose author claimed that it was a long-lost manuscript and was in fact the responsa of the Rosh. I believe that one of the things he wrote was that one may commit suicide to avoid great suffering. The Chasam Sofer comments that the fact that he wrote this, proves that the book is a forgery. Everyone now agrees that it was a hoax.)

(3) See Bava Kama 91b that derives from Bereishis 9:5 "Your blood for your souls I will demand" that one is forbidden to commit suicide. Tosfos DH Ella Hai writes that one is also not allowed to kill one's self out of fear. The Maharshal there in the Yam Shel Shlomo (Bava Kama 8:59) also writes that one sees from Rebbi Chanina that the Halachah forbids suicide in such a case (not merely an act of piety).

(4) See also the Sefer Chasidim #467 that people who kill patients before their time will be punished. He writes that this is similar to Rebbi Chanina who did not want to open his mouth in order not to hasten his death.

(5) It seems to me that one can refute the Iyun Yaakov's suggestion by asserting that there is a distinction between someone who commited suicide in order to prevent himself from suffering, and between a person who did so because he was afraid that as a result of torture, he was going to be forced to transgress the Torah. This is stated by Tosfos (Avodah Zarah 18a Dh v'Al) who writes in the name of Rabeinu Tam that if one is afraid that the heathens will force one, through insufferable torture, to do a transgression, it is a Mitzvah to kill one's self. This is why the children jumped into the sea. It seems that when the Tosfos in Gitin writes that "when one is afraid of suffering one may commit suicide" this also means that as a result of the suffering one might transgress a prohibition, but to prevent suffering alone, Tosfos does not permit suicide. In fact it seems to me that this must be the Pshat in Tosfos, because otherwise he never answered his question, since Rebbi Chanina was also suffering, and Tosfos did not answer that what Rebbi Chanina did was only Midas Chasidus as the Iyun Yaakov suggested.

(See also Sefer ha'Ikarim by R. Yosef Albo, Maamar 3, end of ch.29)

Chanukah Sameach

Dovid Bloom