More Discussions for this daf
1. v'Nashal or v'Nishal? 2. Galus 3. Euthanasia
4. Hillel and Shammai 5. Abaye's question 6. Next of Kin for Go'el ha'Dam
7. Derech Yeridah 8. Shogeg 9. Yesh Eim la'Mikra
10. bi'Shegagah Prat l'Meizid 11. Killer courts 12. Mezid
13. Who does not go to the Ir Miklat 14. pelach 15. Machlokes of R'Yochanan and R'Abahu
16. Machlokes Rebbi Avahu & Rav Yochanan 17. "Tree" in the Pasuk 18. Cities of refuge - Roller on roof
DAF DISCUSSIONS - MAKOS 7

Richard Herring asked:

There is a debate near the top of the page between Rova and Abaye over how to interpret the braaita. How does Abaye hold at the conclusion?

Richard Herring, South Africa

The Kollel replies:

Rava queries the Beraisa's statement "bi'Shegagah Prat le'Mezid", inasmuch as that is obvious, since he is subject to Misah.

The Ritva explains that the Beraisa is speaking even in a case where he will not be sentenced to death, for example, where there was no warning or where he was a Shogeg but bordering on Meizid.

It seems to me that Abaye did not agree with Rava's Kashya. He maintains that, since the "murderer" is not in fact subject to the death-sentence, had the Torah not written "bi'Shegagah", he would be obligated to go into exile (in spite of the fact that he is Mezid or Karov le'Mezid). In other words, it would be either the death-sentence or Galus.

This fits nicely with the fact that neither does Abaye attempt to answer Rava's Kashya, nor does the Gemara try to explain how he will do so.

Be'Virchas Kol Tuv.

Eliezer Chrysler