More Discussions for this daf
1. Tefilas Hashlamah 2. Ma'ariv after Plag Ha'Minchah on Erev Shabbos 3. Building Bathrooms Like the Persians
4. Time for Praying Shacharis 5. Keri'as Shema before Plag ha'Minchah 6. Origin Of Davening As We Know It
7. Shachar 8. Starting times of Tefilot 9. Mei Raglayim
10. Rebbi Yehudah and Plag ha'Minchah 11. Rebbi Yehudah and Plag ha'Minchah 12. Tashlumin
13. Minchah 14. korbonos 15. Musaf until 7 hours according to Rabbi Yehudah
16. Korbanos 17. Rebbi Yehudah's opinion about Shacharis 18. Tosfos DH Tefilas ha'Shachar
19. דרכו של רש״י בתחילת פרק 20. ש"ץ שטעה ביום תענית 21. מחלוקת רבנן ור' יהודה בזמן תפילת מוסף
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 26

Jared Hershenson asked:

1) What exactly is Tosafos's kashya? Do I take it for granted that I know we can't daven mincha "all day" or is he really asking why the mishna doesn't mention starting times for the different davening?

2) The last part of this Tosafos is an implied question about why the mishna mentions mincha before mussaf. I'm not clear on how this connects to the previous topic about kol hayom, especially since it writes "ul'hachi". I thought Tosafos usually have a separate dibbur hamaschil if the topic is different, so this is why i don't understand the connection. thanks!

Jared Hershenson, Columbus, OH USA

The Kollel replies:

1) Tosfos clearly asks why the Mishnah uses the expression "Ad ha'Erev" by Minchah, and not "Kol ha'Yom" as it does by Musaf. That certainly rules out your second suggestion.

What you should have asked (and perhaps that is what you meant) is whether Tosfos thought that, like Minchah, one can only Daven Musaf from six and a half hours (and that from six and a half hours until night is called "Kol ha'Yom.") Or whether they assumed that like Musaf, one may Daven Minchah from the morning, and all day must be taken literally. From the Lashon of Tosfos, I think that the first explanation is correct, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.

Either way, they answer by drawing a distinction between the two, and that "Kol ha'Yom" is meant literally.

2) Tosfos then asks that, having just concluded that the time to Daven Musaf precedes that of Davening Minchah, why the Tana then discusses Minchah before Musaf, and not vice-versa? Tosfos answers that the principle that "What is common takes precedence" over-rides that of following the order of the times.

Be'Virchas Kol Tuv,

Eliezer Chrysler

Jared Hershenson responded:

Thank you. Would you also mind addressing why Tosafos includes the discussion of mentioning mincha before mussaf in the same dibbur ha'maschil? What does this have to do with the previous topic? Is it because both are referring to questions about the mishna?

Thanks,

Jared Hershenson

The Kollel replies:

It seems to me that my answer to your previous question resolves this problem too. I quote: 'Tosfos then asks that, having just concluded that the time to Daven Musaf precedes that of Davenning Minchah, the Tana then discusses Minchah before Musaf ... '.

Does this not answer your question?

Be'Virchas Kol Tuv,

Eliezer Chrysler