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4. The Race to the Top Four Amos 5. King David's sins 6. Payis instituted after the incident
7. Amah Yesod 8. Running up the Ramp 9. typo?
10. Asur Limnos Es Yisrael 11. Counting Jews 12. King David's sins
13. תלמיד חכם בנקמה ונטירה 14. Asur Limnos Es Yisrael
DAF DISCUSSIONS - YOMA 22

jessie asked:

HOW MANY JEWS?

(a) Question: There is a contradiction, where one Pasuk refers to the Jews as finite (as the sand of the sea) and one where they are infinite (uncountable).

(b) Answer #1: It depends on whether (infinite) or not (finite) the Jews perform Hash-m's will.

(c) Answer #2: It depends on whether people (infinite) or Hash-m (finite) is doing the counting.

should this be reversed? Hash-m being infinite?

jessie, far rockaway, usa

The Kollel replies:

You ask whether the two comments ought not to be reversed, because Hash-m is the one who is infinite ... . Sure He is, but haven't we defined 'finite' and 'infinite' in this context as 'countable' and 'uncountable' (respectively). (As a matter of fact, the words 'finite' and 'infinite' are not mentioned in the Gemara at all, but are 'borrowed terms', used by the author). In other words, both 'finite; and 'infinite' refer to Yisrael, depending on whether they can be counted or not.

That being the case, let us take a look at the Gemara's answer, and you will see that the comments that you quoted are perfectly correct.

And here I quote from my own 'Questions and Answers': 'According to the Gemara's second answer, Yisrael will be too numerous to be counted by human beings (who are also not able to count the sand by the sea-shore), but will be countable at the Hand of Hashem').

Consequently, when people try to count Yisrael, they (Yisrael) are 'infinite', whereas when Hash-m counts them, they are finite.

Wishing you a Kesivah va'Chasimah Tovah.

Eliezer Chrysler