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1. Dibur is not a Ma'aseh 2. Pshat in Rashi 3. Which Mesichta comes before Makos?
4. Keitzad Ein HaEdim Neasim Zomemim 5. Edut Sh'eino Yachol L'haziman 6. Question on the second Kal Vachomer.
7. Rebbi Yochanan's Kal v'Chomer 8. Eidim Zomemim 9. Rebbi Yochanan's Kal v'Chomer
10. Does the Gerushah become a Chalalah? 11. Damages 12. Iy Atah Yachol Lehazimah, and Kim Lei...
13. 40 lashes 14. Minah Hani Mili 15. Edus she'I Efshar l'Hazimah
16. Malkus for Edim Zomemim in a case of Ben Gerushah, Tosfos 17. Question on Suggestion of First Tosfos 18. First Tosfos on Daf 2a
19. Mitzri Sheni 20. Lo Sa'aneh Without an Action 21. Mitzri Sheni
22. Ben Gerushah And Ben Chalutzah 23. Chalutzah 24. Galus
25. Chalalah 26. R Yochanons Kal v'Chomer- Insights 27. Killing b'Shogeg or b'Meizid
28. Ma'aseh or not? 29. v'Lo Ka'asher Asah 30. Tosfos on "Mah ha'Sokel"
31. Tosfos and Maharsha 2b 32. R. Yochanan's Kal v'Chomer 33. Question on the Ritva from Shifchah Charufah (in Insights)
34. מכות בגימטריא הרהורים 35. מכות בגימטריא הרהורים 36. תוספות ד"ה מעידין
37. אין עושין בהן דין הזמה כל עיקר 38. והצדיקו את הצדיק 39. בגניבתו ולא בזממו
DAF DISCUSSIONS - MAKOS 2

chaim asked:

Was hoping that you could tell me the mekor (the main gemara where we learn it out from, pesukim, rambam?) for "Eidus she-i-atah yechol lehazimah ain zeh eidus" and also "kim le derabeh mineh" and where those are found in masseches makkos

chaim, new york city

The Kollel replies:

The Gemara mentions Edus she'Iy Atah Yachol l'hazimah in Sanhedrin 41a, 78a and Bava Kama 75b. The Gemara does not bring a Pasuk for its source. The Rishonim (see Rashi there) explain that since the Torah says "va'Asisem Lo Ka'asher Zamam La'asos" in the section that discusses Edus, we infer that an intrinsic part of the testimony is that we can punish the witnesses with the punishment of Ka'asher Zamam if they are found to be lying. The first Tosfos in Makos mentions the Halachah of Ein Atah Yachol l'Hazimah.

Kim Lei bi'Deraba Minei is discussed at length in the third Perek of Kesuvos Dafim 29-38. Various Derashos are used as sources for this Halachah, depending on the severity of the Aveirah that came in conjunction with a monetary obligation (see Mishnah Kesuvos 36b and Gemara). In Makos the Gemara speaks about Eino Lokeh u'Meshalem on 4a-b, and about other aspects of Kim Lei on 13b.

D. Zupnik