More Discussions for this daf
1. Keri'as Shema - biblical or rabbinic? 2. Day and then night 3. Eating in the dark
4. Temimus 5. The posuk beshochbicha uvikumecha 6. Zman Krias Shma
7. earliest time to say Shema in the evening 8. Uva Hashemesh Vetaher 9. When does a poor man eat?
10. Be'arvin 11. What to read 12. The poor man's meal
13. Being Motzi another person with Shema 14. Eating korbanot until chatzot 15. The opposite of Tahor....
16. Sitting during Shema 17. Charts 18. When does Day Begin?
19. Does the Ri agree with the Yerushalmi 20. va'Yehi Erev va'Yehi Voker Yom Echad 21. Berachos 002: Shema
22. Kri'as Shema 23. To keep a person from Aveirah 24. Night or Day?
25. mi'Sha'ah sheha'Kohanim 26. Where do the Kohanim eat Terumah? 27. "reading" ; what about Kohanim?
28. Sof Zeman Shema 29. Second Answer of the Gemara 30. Zemanim
31. Rashi's Shitah for early Ma'ariv 32. Different Shitos in Shema 33. k'Sus ha'Zeh she'Eino Nirdam
34. Sunrise and Sunset 35. Translation of the Word "mi'Chi" 36. Tzeis or Bein ha'Shemashos
37. When do the Poor Eat? 38. The Gemara's Second Answer 39. Ashkenazi Keri'as Shema at Bedtime
40. Sunrise / Sunset 41. Iy Ba'is Eima 42. Which Shi'ur is earlier?
43. Zman Shema 44. When An Ani Eats His Bread 45. Rabeinu Tam in Tosfos
46. Is there a typo in the first Tosfos? 47. Times for Keri'as Shema 48. Tosfos and Rebbi Yehoshua Ben Levi
49. Codewords for Time of Earliest Kerias Shema 50. Me'eimasai 51. Korei vs Kor'in
52. Tzeis ha'Kochavim 53. Latest time 54. Time for saying Shema
55. בערבין 56. מתי אוכלים העניים 57. משעה שהעני אוכל פתו
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 2

moshe lamm asks:

do any of the mforshim give a reason why the different tanaim use those specific examples for their zman? (why uni,kohein,kohein toiveling, eating friday night etc...)

moshe lamm, brooklyn usa

The Kollel replies:

In general, the Chachamim give these specific examples because, in lieu of sophisticated equipment capable of giving an accurate measure of the moment of sunset and nightfall, these were periods that people were familiar with.

1. "Ani":

a. Rashi (2b, DH mishe'he'Ani) writes that the pauper does not possess a candle to light up his meal. The Me'iri writes that this implies that this Zman is before the stars come out.

b. According to Rashi, it appears that "Ani" is an early time, while according to the Rashba it seems to be later. The Rashba writes that since the pauper hires himself out to others as a worker, he does not come home until at least after sunset.

c. The Me'iri himself makes the time of "Ani" even later and points out that there is something that can be learned from the statement that the "Ani" is eating his bread with salt. This teaches that this time is very late; it is after the stars emerge. This is because the pauper stops working when the stars emerge and only then comes home. However, once he arrives home he can start eating immediately because all he has to eat is bread and salt which require no preparation and are readily bought. The Me'iri writes that the time when the pauper eats his bread and salt is identical to the time when people come in to eat their bread on Erev Shabbos when the meal has already been prepared earlier. This time is similar to the time of the pauper who does not need time to prepare his meal even on a weekday. However, since in those times the synagogues were far from their houses and it took time to walk home, the time that people eat on Erev Shabbos is the same time that the pauper starts his meal.

Kol Tuv,

Dovid Bloom