12th Cycle dedication

CHULIN 73 (8 Elul) - Dedicated in memory of Esther Miryam bas Harav Chaim Zev and her husband Harav Refael Yisrael ben Harav Moshe (Snow), whose Yahrzeits are 7 Elul and 8 Elul respectively. Sponsored by their son and daughter in law, Moshe and Rivka Snow.

1)

TERUMAH FROM OLIVES AND GRAPES (Yerushalmi Terumos Perek 3 Halachah 2 Daf 16a)

åìéú äãà ôìéâà òì ãøéù ì÷éù ãøéù ì÷éù àîø àéï àãí îáèì ùìéçåúå áãáøéí

(a)

Question: (The Mishnah taught that if he cancelled his authorization, if it was before the Terumah was separated, the Terumah is invalid.) Doesn't this disagree with Reish Lakish's teaching that one cannot verbally cancel a messenger (since words cannot come and cancel words)...?

úôúø ëâåï ùàîø ìéä ìê å÷áò áöôåï åäìê å÷áò áãøåí.

(b)

Answer: When he sent the messenger, he said, "Go and separate the Terumah in the northern side'' and the owner went himself and separated in the south.

[ãó ëè òîåã à (òåæ åäãø)] àîø øáé éåçðï äãøåëåú îëéåï ùäéìëå áäï ùúé åòøá îèîàéï àú äáåø îéã

(c)

(R. Yochanan): Pressed grapes - once the workers have trodden them by walking on the beam this way and that, the wine causes the grapes to be able to contract Tumah and the entire pit is immediately assumed to be Tamei as a Tamei person might have touched it.

åäúðé äôåòìéï ùúøîå àú äáåø àéï úøåîúï úøåîä åàí äéä äáåø ÷èï àå ùäéå (äáòìéí) àçøéí îùëùëéï áäï (àéï) úøåîúï úøåîä îôðé ùàçøéí îùëùëéï áäï äà àí àéï àçøéí îùëùëéï áäï àéï úøåîúï úøåîä îäå ëãåï

(d)

Question (Baraisa): 'If workers separated Terumah from the pit (without the knowledge of the owner), it is not valid. If the pit was small (where Tumah is more common) or others there had shaken their hands inside it, the Terumah is valid (as the owner would prefer that the Terumah had been taken before it became Tamei).' This means that if others had not shaken their hands there, it is invalid Terumah...?

ëàï áééï ëàï áùîï

(e)

Answer: R. Yochanan was discussing wine and the Baraisa was discussing oil.

åìà äéà ééï äéà ùîï ééï èåîàúå îöåéä ùîï àéï èåîàúå îöåéä.

(f)

Rebuttal: Wine and oil are the same, but Tumah is common with wine (as people want to taste it) and not with oil.

úðé îàéîúé úåøîéï àú äòðáéí îùäéìëå áäï ùúé åòøá îàéîúé îèîàéï àåúï á''ù àåîøéí îùéåöéà àú äùðé åá''ä àåîøéí îùéåöéà àú äøàùåï

(g)

(Baraisa): When is Terumah separated from grapes? When they have been trodden this way and that. From when is there a concern that they have become Tamei? Beis Shammai says, "From when Maaser Sheni is taken''. Beis Hillel says "From when Maaser Rishon is taken''.

àîø øáé éåñé äìëä ëá''ù åäøáéí ðäâå ëá''ä

(h)

(R. Yosi): The Halacha follows Beis Shammai, but many are accustomed to be stringent like Beis Hillel.

àîø øáé ùîòåï ðøàéï ãáøé á''ù áùòú î÷ãù åãáøé á''ä áæîï äæä

(i)

(R. Shimon): Beis Shammai should be followed in Temple times (since Maaser Sheni was eaten in Taharah in Yerushalayim) and Beis Hillel nowadays (as people are not careful from Tumah).

åçë''à ìà ëãáøé æä åìà ëãáøé æä àìà îåöéà úøåîä åúøåîú îòùø åîèîàéï àú äáåø îéã

(j)

(Chachamim): The Halacha does not follow Beis Shammai or Beis Hillel. Rather, he should first separate Terumah and Terumas Maaser to prevent it from becoming Tamei, and immediately after that, we assume that the entire pit has become Tamei.

îàéîúé úåøîéï àú äæéúéí àéú úðéé úðé [ãó èæ òîåã á] îùéèçðå åàéú úðéé úðé îùéèòðå

(k)

(Tosefta): When is Terumah separated from olives? One Tana taught that it's from when the olives are crushed in the millstone for their oil (after the beams had already rested on top of the olives). Another Tana taught that it's from when the beams are placed on them.

ðéçà ìîàï ãàîø îùéèòðå ìîàï ãàîø îùéèçðå ìà ëï àîø ø' éåçðï äãøåëåú îëéåï ùäéìëå áäï ùúé åòøá îèîàéï àú äáåø îéã

(l)

Question: It is fine according to the Tana that placing the beams is the completion of their work (to be obligated in Terumah), but according to the Tana that it's only from when the olives are crushed (but after the beams have rested on them, they still aren't yet obligated), didn't R. Yochanan say (earlier (c)) concerning pressed grapes - once the workers have trodden them by walking on the beam this way and that, the entire pit is immediately assumed to be Tamei (which indicates that the completion of their work is after the beams have rested)?

àìà ëàï áééï åëàï áùîï

(m)

Answer: That was discussing wine and our discussion is about oil.

åìà äéà ééï äéà ùîï îä áéï ééï îä áéï ùîï

(n)

Question: Aren't wine and oil the same?

ééï èåîàúå îöåéä ùîï àéï èåîàúå îöåéä

(o)

Answer: It is common for wine to become Tamei (since people take it to drink), but it is uncommon for oil to become Tamei.

[ãó ëè òîåã á (òåæ åäãø)] àîø øáé çééà áø àãà ëàï åëàï äèåîàä îöåéä àìà ùäèåîàä îöåéä áééï éåúø îáùîï

(p)

(R. Chiya bar Ada): In both cases, Tumah is common, but it is more common with wine.

úðé øáé éåñé á''ø éäåãä àåîø àí øöä îáéà æéúéí åðåúðï úçú äîîì åäåìê åáà òìéäï

(q)

Baraisa (R. Yosi b'R. Yehuda): If the owner wishes, he can bring olives and put them under the beam and then immediately separate Terumah.

àîøå ìå ìà ãåîéï æéúéí ìòðáéí òðáéí ãéäåú åðåú÷åú àú äééï æéúéí ÷ùéï åàéðï ðåú÷éï àú äùîï:

1.

(Chachamim to R. Yosi b'R. Yehuda): Olives are different from grapes - grapes are soft and are easily squeezed; olives are hard and are not easily squeezed, so Chazal delayed their obligation to separate Terumah until after the oil has been squeezed out.