ZEVACHIM 3 (1 Iyar) - Dedicated by Ari Friedman and family of Lawrence, N.Y., l'Iluy Nishmas Ari's father, Reb Yakov Yosef ben Rav Nosson Neta Z'L Friedman in honor of his Yahrzeit. Jack Friedman exemplified true Ahavas Yisrael and Ahavas Chesed; may he be a Melitz Yosher for his children and grandchildren and for all of Klal Israel.

1)

(a)What does the Mishnah in Gitin say about a case where someone overhears Sofrim saying that they were writing a Get for 'Ish P'loni she'Geirash Ishah P'lonis mi'Makom P'loni', and where all the details fit his own situation?

(b)We reject the proof from there that by Get, 'S'tama ke'she'Lo Lishmah', on the basis of Rav Papa's interpretation of the Mishnah. How does Rav Papa interpret it?

(c)What does the Beraisa say about Reuven divorcing his wife Le'ah with a Get that was written for another Reuven, who intended to divorce his wife Le'ah, but who changed his mind?

(d)Why is there no proof that S'tam is considered she'Lo li'Shemah from ...

1. ... this Beraisa (see Tosfos DH 'Kasav Legaresh')?

2. ... the Beraisa which disqualifies a Get that Reuven wrote to divorce an older wife who is called Le'ah, from being used to divorce a younger wife with the same name?

3. ... a third Beraisa, which disqualifies a Get which the Sofer wrote for Reuven to divorce whichever wife he subsequently decides?

1)

(a)In a case where someone overhear Sofrim saying that they are writing a Get for 'Ish P'loni she'Geirash Ishah P'lonis mi'Makom P'loni', and where all the details fit his situation, the Mishnah in Gitin rules that - he cannot use that Get for himself.

(b)We reject the proof from there that by Get 'S'tama ke'she'Lo Lishmah', on the basis of Rav Papa - who establishes the Mishnah with regard to the Sofrim's apprentices, whom we suspect of writing the Get purely for the sake of practice (and not for the sake of a Get).

(c)The Beraisa forbids Reuven to divorce his wife Le'ah with a Get that was written for another Reuven, who intended to divorce his wife Le'ah, but who changed his mind.

(d)There is no proof that S'tam is considered she'Lo li'Shemah ...

1. ... because, changing the Get from one couple to another, is not considered Stam, but a real she'Lo li'Shemah (see Tosfos DH 'Kasav Le'gareish').

2. ... the Beraisa which disqualifies a Get that Reuven wrote to divorce an older wife who is called Le'ah, from being used to divorce a younger wife with the same name - for the same reason.

3. ... a third Beraisa, which disqualifies a Get which the Sofer wrote for Reuven to divorce whichever wife he subsequently decides - because there too, the Get is not Pasul because S'tam is she'Lo li'Shemah), but due to the principle Ein B'reirah (which means, in effect, that at the time of writing, Reuven may have actually intended to divorce the other wife, in which case it too, is not a case of S'tam, but of real she'Lo li'Shemah).

2)

(a)What does a fourth Beraisa say about a Sofer writing skeleton Gitin? What are they obligated to leave blank?

(b)What does Rav Yehudah Amar Rav add to this?

(c)What does this prove?

2)

(a)A fourth Beraisa rules that - if a Sofer writes skeleton Gitin for use should the need arise, he is obligated to leave blank the names of the husband, the wife and the witnesses, as well as the date.

(b)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav add - the basic text of the Get ('Harei At Muteres le'Chol Adam') ...

(c)... a conclusive proof that S'tam by Gitin is considered she'Lo li'Shemah (otherwise why should he not insert these details).

3)

(a)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav disqualifies a Chatas that is Shechted as an Olah. What does he say about a Chatas that is Shechted as Chulin?

(b)What does Rava extrapolate from ...

1. ... Rav Yehudah's dual ruling?

2. ... the Mishnah in Gitin (that we cited earlier) Kol ha'Get she'Nichtav she'Lo le'Shem Ishah Pasul?

(c)Why does this latter inference pose a Kashya on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav?

(d)How does Rava reconcile Rav Yehudah Amar Rav with the Mishnah?

3)

(a)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav disqualifies a Chatas that is Shechted as an Olah - but not one that is Shechted as Chulin.

(b)Rava extrapolate from ...

1. ... Rav Yehudah's dual ruling that - 'de'Miynah Machriv bah, de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv bah' (that whereas the same species [a Korban like itself] can change its status, a foreign species [Chulin]) cannot.

2. ... the Mishnah in Gitin (that we cited earlier) 'Kol ha'Get she'Nichtav she'Lo le'Shem Ishah Pasul' that - the Tana is speaking even with regard to a Get that is written for a Nochris ...

(c)... a Kashya on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav - since a Nochris is not subject to Gitin, which suggests that the Tana holds that even 'de'La'av Miynah Machriv bah'.

(d)Rava reconciles Rav Yehudah Amar Rav with the Mishnah - by pointing out that even if one were to remove the Nochris from the scene, the Get would be Pasul, because S'tam by Get is considered she'Lo li'Shemah, whereas if one were to remove the Chulin from the case of Chatas, it would be Kasher, since S'tam by Kodshim is considered li'Shemah (as we explained earlier).

4)

(a)Rava also queried Rav Yehudah Amar Rav from another Beraisa. What does the Tana mean when he learns from the Pasuk in Shemini "Tocho" (in connection with earthenware vessels containing food or drink, in which there is a dead Sheretz) ...

1. ... "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho'?

2. ... 'va'Afilu K'lei Shetef Matzil'? What are K'lei Shetef?

(b)What is now the Kashya on Rav from this Mishnah?

(c)And he answers that we compare Chulin vis-a-vis Kodshim to a wall vis-a-vis an oven. What does he mean by that? What is the difference between a wall (in this regard) and a vessel?

4)

(a)Rava also queried Rav Yehudah Amar Rav from another Beraisa. When the Tana learns from the Pasuk in Shemini "Tocho" (in connection with earthenware vessels containing food or drink, in which there is a dead Sheretz) ...

1. ... "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho', he means that - although the Sheretz renders Tamei food or drink that is inside the same earthenware vessel as itself, this will not be the case if they are inside a vessel which in turn, is located inside the same oven, provided its walls extend above those of the oven.

2. ... 'va'Afilu K'lei Shetef Matzil', he means that - this applies even if the vessel is made of materials other than earthenware (which are not generally subject to the special Dinim of earthenware vessels) ...

(b)... implying that even 'de'La'av Miynah Machriv bah' (a Kashya on Rav Yehudah Amar Rav).

(c)And he answers that we compare Chulin vis-a-vis Kodshim to a wall vis-a-vis an oven, by which he means that - the Tana does not consider a vessel (irrespective of what it is made of) to be 'La'av Miyno'. A vessel he maintains, is a vessel (and is therefore considered Miyno). A wall however, is different, as we will now see.

5)

(a)What does the Mishnah in Keilim say about a case where an oven contains food or drink, and where they discover a dead Sheretz on the other side of ...

1. ... planks or a curtain with which they divided it?

2. ... a broken bee-hive which they filled in with straw? What is the significance of the straw?

(b)What does the Mishnah there say in the latter case, where there is no food or drink in the oven, but where the Sheretz is found inside the bee-hive?

(c)Rebbi Eliezer there says 'Tahor', and he learns it from a 'Kal va'Chomer' from the equivalent case of Ohel ha'Meis. What is the gist of the 'Kal va'Chomer'?

(d)How do the Rabbanan counter Rebbi Eliezer?

5)

(a)The Mishnah in Keilim rules that in a case where an oven contains food or drink, and where they discover a dead Sheretz on the other side of ...

1. ... planks or a curtain with which they divided it - the food and drink are Tamei, and ...

2. ... the same applies to a broken bee-hive which they filled in with straw, because in spite of the straw (the Tana is teaching us), the bee-hive is not considered a vessel.

(b)If there is no food or drink in the oven, but the Sheretz is found inside the bee-hive - the oven is still Tamei.

(c)Rebbi Eliezer there says 'Tahor', and he learns it from a 'Kal va'Chomer' from the equivalent case of Ohel ha'Meis - where any division saves the food and drink from the Tum'ah on the other side, how much more so earthenware vessels (whose Tum'ah is less stringent than Tum'as Meis).

(d)The Rabbanan counter Rebbi Eliezer - by pointing out that the Din of Ohel is confined to Tum'as Meis, where just as an Ohel is effective to transmit Tum'ah, so too, is it effective to prevent Tum'ah from entering. Earthenware vessels on the other hand, which one does not generally divide with an Ohel, are not therefore subject to the Din of Ohel, not one way and not the other.

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6)

(a)The problem with Rava's initial answer to his Kashya (where he learns 'de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv bah' from this Beraisa) is from Rebbi Eliezer, who gives vessels the same Din as a partition in this regard (and who seems to hold that even 'de'La'av Miynah Machriv bah'). How do we try to solve it?

(b)On what grounds do we reject this answer?

(c)According to Rebbi Eliezer therefore, we establish Rav like Rebbi Elazar. What does Rebbi Elazar learn from the Pasuk in Emor "ve'Lo Yechal'lu es Kodshei b'nei Yisrael es asher Yarimu la'Hashem"? How does this reconcile Rav with the Beraisa of "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho'?

(d)What problem does this answer pose (with regard to the Beraisa)?

6)

(a)The problem with Rava's initial answer to his Kashya (where he learns 'de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv' from this Beraisa) is from Rebbi Eliezer, who gives vessels the same Din as a partition in this regard (and who seems to hold that even 'de'La'av Miynah Machriv'), which we answer - with the 'Kal-va'Chomer' (K'lei Cheres which is lenient, from Meis, which is strict), which overrides the principle of 'de'La'av Miynah, Lo Machriv'.

(b)We reject this answer however because - if that were so, then why should the same Kal-va'Chomer (Kodshim Mechalelin Kodshim, Chulin Lo Kol-she'Kein), not apply by Chatas she'Shachtah le'Shem Chulin!

(c)According to Rebbi Eliezer we therefore establish Rav like Rebbi Elazar, who learns from the Pasuk "ve'Lo Yechal'lu es Kodshei B'nei Yisrael es asher Yarimu la'Hashem" that - Kodshim desecrate Kodshim, but not Chulin (and this is a 'Gezeiras ha'Kasuv' which overrides the principle that even 'de'La'av Miynah Machriv').

(d)The problem this answer poses is that - seeing as the Pasuk of "ve'Lo Yechal'lu ... " overrides the principle of 'de'La'av Miynah ... ', why does the Pasuk of "Tocho" ('ve'Lo Toch Tocho') not also override the 'Kal-va'Chomer'?

7)

(a)We answer that "Tocho" is needed to teach us a case where the food was covered with clay. What is then the Chidush?

(b)How does this answer the Kashya?

(c)In that case, how can the Rabbanan use the D'rashah of "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho', to extrapolate that a Mechitzah of other materials does not save the food inside an earthenware vessel from Tum'ah? Why do they not need the Pasuk to teach us the case where the food was covered with clay?

7)

(a)We answer that "Tocho" is needed to teach us that, in a case where the food is covered with clay - it is subject to Tum'ah via the air of the oven, even though it is not subject to Tum'ah via touching.

(b)This answers the Kashya - in that it leaves Rebbi Eliezer free to Darshen the 'Kal-va'Chomer' with regard to an Ohel inside the vessel.

(c)The Rabbanan however hold that - food that is covered with clay does not require a Pasuk to preclude it from Tum'ah, since it is obviously inside the oven, and there is no reason to declare it Tahor. Consequently, they use the D'rashah of "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho', to extrapolate that a Mechitzah of other materials does not save the food inside an earthenware vessel from Tum'ah.

8)

(a)Rav rules that a Chatas that a Kohen Shechts as another Chatas is Kasher. What does he mean by one Chatas as another Chatas?

(b)What does he say about a Chatas that a Kohen Shechts ...

1. ... as an Olah?

2. ... on behalf of someone who is Chayav another Chatas?

3. ... on behalf of someone who is Chayav an Olah?

(c)What problem does Rav Yosef bar Ami have with Rav's two dual statements?

(d)How does he answer the Kashya, based on the two Pesukim in Vayikra "Ve'shachat osah le'Chatas" (Shinuy Kodesh) and "Alav" 've'Lo al Chavero' (Shinuy Ba'alim)?

8)

(a)Rav declares Kasher a Chatas which a Kohen Shechts as another Chatas - a Chatas Cheilev (to atone for having eaten Cheilev be'Shogeg [say]) as a Chatas Dam (to atone for having drunk blood)

(b)He rules that a Chatas that a Kohen Shechts ...

1. ... as an Olah - is Pasul.

2. ... on behalf of someone who is Chayav another Chatas - is Pasul.

3. ... on behalf of someone who is Chayav an Olah - is Kasher.

(c)The problem Rav Yosef bar Ami has with Rav's two dual statements is that - in the first set (by Shinuy Kodesh) he seems to hold 'de'La'av Miynah Machriv bah, de'Miynah Lo Machriv bah', whereas in the second set (by Shinuy Ba'alim) he holds the exact opposite.

(d)And he answers the Kashya based on the two Pesukim concerned 1. "Ve'shachat osah le'Chatas" - implying that as long as one Shechts the Chatas as a Chatas, it is Kasher (but not if he Shechts it as an Olah); 2. "Alav" 've'Lo al Chavero' - which implies that the Korban is Pasul if it is Shechted on behalf of one's friend who is Chayav the same Korban as he is, otherwise not. In other words, both cases are a 'Gezeiras ha'Kasuv', and not subject to principles.

9)

(a)We just learned that, by Shinuy Ba'alim, if a Kohen Shechts Reuven's Chatas on behalf of Shimon who is Chayav another Chatas, it is Pasul, whereas if he Shechts it on behalf of Levi who is Chayav an Olah it is Kasher (suggesting that de'Bar Miynah Machriv, de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv). Rav Chaviva queries this from the Beraisa of "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho'. What is the problem?

(b)And he answers by ascribing the Din of Toch Tocho to a Gezeiras ha'Kasuv (just as Rav bar Ami did). What does he mean when he says Arba'ah "Tocho" Kesivi? How many times does "Tocho" really appear?

(c)What does he mean when he says ...

1. ... 'Chad le'Gufeih'?

2. ... 'Chad li'Gezeirah-Shavah'?

3. ... 'Chad, Tocho shel Zeh, ve'Lo Tocho shel Acher'? What is this coming to preclude?

(d)And what does he learn from the fourth "Tocho"?

9)

(a)We just learned that, by Shinuy Ba'alim, if a Kohen Shechts Reuven's Chatas on behalf of Shimon who is Chayav another Chatas, it is Pasul, whereas if he Shechts it on behalf of Levi who is Chayav an Olah, it is Kasher (suggesting that de'Bar Miynah Machriv, de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv). Rav Chaviva queries this from the Beraisa of "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho' - which adds 'va'Afilu K'lei Shetef Matzil (implying that de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv), contradicting what we just learned with regard to Shinuy Ba'alim.

(b)And he answers by ascribing the Din of Toch Tocho to a Gezeiras ha'Kasuv (just as Rav Yosef bar Ami did earlier). When he says Arba'ah "Tocho" Kesivi - he is really referring to the word "Tocho" which is written twice (each time incorporating two D'rashos, "Toch" and "Tocho").

(c)When he says ...

1. ... Chad le'Gufeih, he means that - one comes to teach us that food and drink can become Tamei via the air of an earthenware vessel.

2. ... Chad li'Gezeirah-Shavah he means that - one to teach us that the Sheretz renders Tamei, even food that it did not touch.

3. ... Chad Tocho shel Zeh, ve'Lo Tocho shel Acher, he means that - it comes to preclude vessels that are not made of earthenware, from the Din of Tum'as Avir.

(d)And from the fourth "Tocho" he learns - "Tocho", 've'Lo Toch Tocho'.

10)

(a)What does Rav Chaviva add to his final D'rashah?

(b)What are the ramifications of this D'rashah?

(c)How does he know that the Pasuk comes to preclude even K'lei Shetef, and not just K'lei Cheres?

(d)Which principle does Rav Chaviva therefore hold?

10)

(a)Rav Chaviva adds to his final D'rashah - va'Afilu K'lei Shetef Matzil ...

(b)... meaning that even if a K'li that is Toch Tocho is a 'Kli Shetef' (and not made of eartheware), it saves what is inside it from Tum'as Avir.

(c)He knows that the Pasuk comes to preclude even K'lei Shetef, and is not confined to K'lei Cheres - because if it was, then the it would have sufficed to writes "Tocho" without the 'Vav' (since, seeing as the walls of the inner K'li rise above the outer one, it is obvious that food in the inner one cannot be considered inside the outer one, and it will remain Tahor).

(d)Rav Chaviva therefore holds the principle - ' ... de'La'av Miynah Lo Machriv bah', and the Din is different by Tum'as Avir because it is a Gezeiras ha'Kasuv.

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