Question (Rav Dimi citing Ilfa): According to R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, Linah does not apply to Kidush. Does Linah disqualify water in the Kiyor (from being used for Kidush)?

Just like Linah does not invalidate Kidush, it does not disqualify water for Kidush;

Or, since the Kiyor is Mekadesh the water, Linah applies?

(Ravin): Ilfa later answered his question. The Tana'im argue about whether Linah disqualifies Kidush and whether it disqualifies the water.

Question #1 (against Ravin - R. Yitzchak bar Bisna): Rav Asi cited Ilfa to say that if water was left in the Kiyor when night came, it may be used to be Mekadesh at night. One does not Mekadesh in the morning;

Question: Does this mean that one need not be Mekadesh in the morning, or that (Linah disqualified, so) it may not be used in the morning (according to R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon. According to Rebbi, surely he must be Mekadesh in the morning, and the water is Pasul!)

R. Yitzchak bar Bisna: We were unable to answer this question. According to you (Ravin), surely it means that he need not be Mekadesh in the morning!

Question #2 (against Ravin - Beraisa #1): Ben Katin made 12 faucets for the Kiyor, and a pulley (to enable returning the water to the pit every night, lest it become Pasul, and drawing it again the next morning).

Suggestion: The Beraisa is R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon (and it says that Linah disqualifies water in the Kiyor)!

Answer: No, the Beraisa is Rebbi.

Question: Since the Reisha is R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, presumably entire Beraisa is like R. Elazar!

(Reisha): The Kohen Gadol (on Yom Kipur) came to his bull (to confess before slaughtering it). it was between the Ulam and the Mizbeach. The back faced the north, and its head was turned towards the west. The Kohen was east of it, and facing west.

R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon is the Tana who considers between the Ulam and the Mizbeach to be in the north half of the Azarah (so Kodshei Kodoshim may be slaughtered there)!

(Beraisa #2 - R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah): From the north wall of the Mizbeach until the north wall of the Azarah, even with (i.e. not east or west of) the Mizbeach is considered the north half of the Azarah;

R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon adds (the north half of the Azarah that is) even with the area between the Ulam and the Mizbeach;

Rebbi adds even (the north half that is) east of the Mizbeach;

All exclude what is even with the Beis ha'Chalifos (chambers in the Ulam) or to its west (because the Mizbeach cannot be seen from there).

Answer: Surely we can say that Rebbi is the Tana of Beraisa #1!

Rebbi allows Shechitah in the east part of the Azarah (where Zarim often go), all the more so he allows between the Ulam and the Mizbeach (which is more Kadosh)!

Objection: Since Rebbi allows Shechitah in the east, he would not say that the bull should be so close to the Ulam!

Counter-question: Also if the Tana is R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, the bull could have been further from the Ulam, i.e. even with the Mizbeach on the north side!

Answer: You must say, the bull was close to the Ulam to reduce fatigue of the Kohen Gadol (who must take its blood into the Ulam).

Answer: Likewise, Rebbi can be the Tana. The bull is near the Ulam to reduce fatigue!

(R. Yochanan): If a Kohen was Mekadesh to do Terumas ha'Deshen (taking ashes off the Mizbe'ach), he need not be Mekadesh again after dawn, because Terumas ha'Deshen is the beginning of the Avodah of the coming day.

Question: Like whom is this?

It is not like Rebbi. He requires a new Kidush after dawn!

It is not like R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon. He holds that a new day never requires a new Kidush! (Even if Terumas ha'Deshen were considered Avodah of the previous day, no new Kodesh would be needed!)

Answer #1 (Abaye): Really, it is like Rebbi. He says that Linah disqualifies Kidush only mid'Rabanan;

From Krias ha'Gever (when the rooster (alternatively, a certain man) cries out, shortly before dawn; this is the normal time for Terumas ha'Deshen) and onwards, it appears like the coming day, so Chachamim did not decree that Linah disqualifies.

Answer #2 (Rava): Really, it is like R. Elazar;

R. Yochanan rules like R. Elazar regarding beginning the coming day's Avodah (that one Kidush suffices for all Avodos, even after dawn), and like Rebbi regarding the previous day's Avodah (that a new Kidush is needed).

Question (Mishnah): When the other Kohanim saw (the Kohen doing Terumas ha'Deshen) descend, they ran to be Mekadesh.

We understand according to Abaye, who establishes R. Yochanan like Rebbi. He admits that a new Kidush is not needed after Krias ha'Gever. The Mishnah is like Rebbi.

According to Rava, R. Yochanan is like R. Elazar, but Rebbi requires a new Kidush after Krias a'Gever. Who taught the Mishnah?

Rebbi says that the Kidush does not help for after dawn. R. Elazar says that last night's Kidush is still valid!

Answer: Really, it is like R. Elazar. The case is, the Kohanim were not doing Avodah from the night before.

Question: Does leaving the Azarah disqualify the Kidush?

If you will say that Linah does not disqualify, perhaps leaving does, because he stopped thinking about the Avodah;

Or, perhaps he does not stop thinking about it, because he can return to serve!

Answer #1 (Beraisa): If he was Mekadesh and his hands later became Teme'im, he immerses them. He need not be Mekadesh again. If they left the Azarah, he need not be Mekadesh again.

Rejection: We knew that if the hands left the Azarah, he need not Mekadesh again;

The question is when he left the Azarah.

Answer #2 (Beraisa): Kidush must be from a Keli Shares in the Azarah;

If he was Mekadesh from a Keli Shares outside the Azarah, or from a Chulin Keli in the Azarah, or if he immersed his hands in water in a cave, he is Mechalel Avodah.

Inference: Kidush from a Keli Shares outside is Pasul, but if he was Mekadesh inside and left, it is valid.

Rejection: No, perhaps he was inside, and he was Mekadesh from a Keli Shares outside (so the above inference is invalid), and we cannot settle our question.

Answer #3 (Rav Zvid - Beraisa): If he intended to leave the Azarah for a while, he must immerse. If he left for a short time, he must be Mekadesh.

Rejection (Rav Papa): 'To leave for a while' means to excrete. 'For a short time' means to urinate.

Question: A Mishnah explicitly teaches that!

(Mishnah): One who excretes must immerse. One who urinates must be Mekadesh.

Answer: The Beraisa explains what the Mishnah said briefly.

Answer #4 (R. Chiya b'Rebbi Yosef): Those who will engage in the Parah Adumah are Mekadesh in a Keli Shares in the Mikdash, then go outside. (This proves that going outside does not disqualify Kidush.)

(R. Yochanan): They may be Mekadesh outside, even in a Chulin Keli, even of earthenware.

Rejection (Rav Papa): The Parah Adumah is different. Since its Avodah is done outside, going outside does not disqualify Kidush.

Question: If it is not like Avodas Panim (i.e. in the Azarah), why is Kidush needed at all?

Answer: It must resemble Avodas Panim.

Question: Does Tum'ah disqualify Kidush?

If you will say that leaving does not disqualify Kidush, perhaps that is because the Kohen can still serve, but if he became Tamei, he cannot, so he stopped thinking about Avodah;

Or, since he will become Tahor and Kosher to serve again, he continues thinking about Avodah!

Answer #1 (Beraisa): If he was Mekadesh and his hands later became Teme'im, he immerses them. He need not be Mekadesh again.

Rejection: The question was not when only his hands became Teme'im, rather, when he became Tamei.

Objection: If he became Tamei, he cannot serve (even after immersing) until nightfall, so he stops thinking about Avodah! (Surely he must be Mekadesh again!)

Answer: We ask about one who became Tamei just before sundown.