Perek ha'Todah Haysah Ba'ah

1)

(a)The Korban Todah, which our Mishnah now discusses, comprised five Sa'in Yerushalmiyos. How many Sa'in Midbariyos is that the equivalent of?

(b)How many Eifah is that?

(c)How were the twenty Isaron of the Todah divided between the Matzah and the Chametz?

(d)What was the composition of the Matzah and the Chametz?

1)

(a)The Korban Todah, which our Mishnah now discusses, comprised five Sa'in Yerushalmiyos - or six Midbariyos ...

(b)... which in turn, is equal to two Eifah (three Sa'ah Midbariyos = one Eifah).

(c)The twenty Isaron of the Todah were divided equally between the Matzah and the Chametz - ten Isaron for the Matzah loaves, and ten for the Chametz.

(d)There were three kinds of Matzah loaves and one of Chametz (each kind comprising ten loaves).

2)

(a)How many Esronim did each Chametz Chalah comprise?

(b)What did the three kinds of Matzah loaves consist of?

(c)How many Esronim were now allocated for each kind of Matzah loaf?

(d)How many Matzah Chalos were there per Isaron?

2)

(a)Each Chametz Chalah comprised - one Isaron.

(b)The three kinds of Matzah loaves consisted of - baked Chalos, wafer (Matzos) and loaves made of flour and boiling water.

(c)Three and a third Esronim was allocated for each kind of Matzah loaf.

(d)And there were - three Matzah Chalos per Isaron.

3)

(a)Given that there are six Kabin in a Sa'ah, how many Kabin Midbariyos does the Todah comprise?

(b)Seeing as fifteen Kabin are then allocated for both the Matzah and the Chametz loaves, how many Yerushalmi Kabin does each kind of Chametz loaf comprise?

(c)And how many Chalos are there per Kav?

3)

(a)Given that there are six Kabin in a Sa'ah, the Todah comprises - thirty Kabin Midbariyos?

(b)Seeing as fifteen Kabin are then allocated for both the Matzah and the Chametz loaves, each kind of Chametz loaf consists of five Yerushalmi Kabin ...

(c)... three Chalos per Kav.

4)

(a)Given that a 'Bas' is three Sa'ah, what does Rav Chisda learn from the Pasuk in Yechezkel "ha'Eifah ve'ha'Bas Tochen Echad Yih'yeh"?

(b)What do we claim to know from the Pasuk there "Laseis Ma'aser Chomer ha'Bas"?

(c)How do we reject that claim, based on the Pasuk there "va'Asiris ha'Chomer ha'Eifah"?

(d)We ultimately learn how much a Chomer is from another Pasuk there, which equates a Chomer to a Kur. How much is a Kur?

(e)What does this prove?

4)

(a)Given that a 'Bas' is three Sa'ah, Rav Chisda learns from the Pasuk in Yechezkel "ha'Eifah ve'ha'Bas Tochen Echad Yih'yeh" - that an Eifah comprises three Sa'ah, too.

(b)From the Pasuk there "Laseis Ma'aser Chomer ha'Bas" - (equating a Bas with a Chomer) - we claim to know how much a 'Bas' is.

(c)We reject the claim however based on the Pasuk there "va'Asiris ha'Chomer ha'Eifah" - on the grounds that if we knew how much a Chomer is, then why do we not learn the measurement of an Eifah directly from this Pasuk? The fact that we don't, is proof that we do not know how much a Chomer is, in which case, how can we determine what a Bas is from the Pasuk equating it with a Chomer.

(d)We ultimately learn how much a Chomer is from another Pasuk there, which equates a Chomer with a Kur - which we know to be thirty Sa'ah.

(e)This proves - that a Chomer is thirty Sa'ah. Consequently, the Pasuk "Laseis Ma'aser ha'Chomer ha'Bas teaches us that a Bas is three Sa'ah, and the Pasuk "ha'Eifah ve'ha'Bas Tochen Echad, that an Eifah too, is three Sa'ah.

5)

(a)What does Shmuel mean when he says 'Ein Mosifin ...

1. ... al ha'Midos Yoser mi'Sh'tus'?

2. ... al ha'Matbe'a Yoser mi'Sh'tus'?

(b)What third Chidush does he add to the list?

(c)Why can the reason for the latter Takanah not have been for fear that ...

1. ... merchants who bring their wares to sell will raise their prices accordingly, creating the likelihood that they will raise them too high?

2. ... the seller, not knowing of the increase in Midos, will supply the purchaser using the same measure (which now holds more than a sixth more than it did before, causing Bitul Mekach (the entire sale to be negated)?

(d)On which statement of Rava is this statement based?

5)

(a)When Shmuel says 'Ein Mosifin ...

1. ... al ha'Midos Yoser mi'Sh'tus', he means - that if Beis-Din decide to increase the measures of the local measurements, they may only do so by up to one sixth (a measure that held for example, five egg-volumes, will now hold six).

2. ... al ha'Matbe'a Yoser mi'Sh'tus', he means - that the same rule applies to inflating the value of the local coins.

(b)The third Chidush Shmuel adds to the list is - that a store-keeper may earn up to one sixth more than he paid the wholesaler for the wine or fruit, but no more than that.

(c)The reason for the latter Takanah cannot be for fear that ...

1. ... merchants who bring their wares to sell will raise their prices accordingly, creating the likelihood that they will raise them too high - because then they should have forbidden an increase of even a sixth.

2. ... the seller, not knowing of the increase in Midos, will supply the purchaser using the same measure (which now holds more than sixth more than it did before, causing Bitul Mekach (the entire sale to be negated) - because if so, the prohibition should extend even to less than a sixth ...

(d)... since Rava said 'Kol Davar she'be'Midah, ve'she'be'Mishkal ve'she'be'Minyan Afilu Pachos mi'Chedei Ona'ah Chozer' (anything which is measured, weighed or counted is subject to Bitul Mekach, even if the loss entails less than a sixth).

6)

(a)So we suggest that perhaps the objective of the Takanah is to prevent the merchant from making a loss on his sale. What does this mean? Who is the middle man to whom this pertains?

(b)On what grounds do we refute this suggestion too? What does 'Zavan ve'Zavin Tagra Ikri' mean?

(c)So what ought Shmuel to have said, for this to have been the reason?

6)

(a)So we suggest that perhaps, the object of the Takanah is to prevent the middle man ( who buys from Reuven to sell to Shimon, and who expects to make a sixth profit) from making a loss on his sale. This means - that by allowing him to gain a sixth, increasing the measures by a sixth (but not more) at least ensures that he will not lose anything (even if he doesn't gain either). But more than that will cause him a loss.

(b)We refute this explanation too however, on the basis of the principle 'Zavan ve'Zavin Tagra Ikri', meaning - that if the middle man will buy and sell at the same price (without making any profit) he is not a merchant! Consequently, the Chachamim should have been even more stringent regarding this Takanah, to enable the seller at least a small margin of profit, and not just not to lose.

(c)For this to have been the reason, Shmuel ought to have said - 'Ein Mosifin al ha'Midos Sh'tus, Ki-im Pachos mi'Sh'tus'.

7)

(a)Rav Chisda concludes that Shmuel based his ruling on a Pasuk in Yechezkel. What is the Navi coming to teach us when he writes "ve'ha'Shekel Esrim Geirah, Esrim Shekalim, Chamishah ve'Esrim Shekalim, Asarah va'Chamishah Shekel, ha'Manah"?

(b)Why does he break up the Shekalim in this way?

(c)What does the Pasuk mean when it writes ''Shekel" in this context?

7)

(a)Rav Chisda concludes that Shmuel based his ruling on a Pasuk in Yechezkel. When the Navi writes "ve'ha'Shekel Esrim Geirah, Esrim Shekalim, Chamishah ve'Esrim Shekalim, Asarah va'Chamishah Shekel, ha'Manah", he is coming to teach us - that a Manah comprises sixty Shekalim.

(b)He breaks up the Shekalim in this way - because in some places, it seems, a Manah comprises just twenty Shekalim, in others, twenty-five, and in others again, fifteen.

(c)"Shekel" in this context refers to - a Sela (two Shekalim [because a Shekel of Kodesh is double, and two Shekalim comprise a Sela]).

8)

(a)According to Yechezkel therefore, how many Dinrim are there in sixty Shekalim?

(b)How many Dinrim would one normally expect to find in a Manah?

(c)How do we then explain the fact that Yechezkel refers to two hundred and forty?

(d)Which other Chidush can we learn from Yechezkel, besides that of 'Mosifin al ha'Midos, ve'Ein Mosifin Yoser mi'Sh'tus' (which are not considered two, because the latter statement is not contained in the Pasuk, and is the Chachamim's own decision).

(e)How do we prove from our Mishnah that a sixth refers to a sixth of the total, and not a fifth?

8)

(a)According to Yechezkel - there are two hundred and forty Dinrim in sixty Shekalim.

(b)One would normally expect to find - a hundred Dinrim in a Manah.

(c)Yechezkel refers to two hundred and forty - because to begin with, a Manah of Kodesh (just like a Shekel of Kodesh) is double that of a Manah of Chulin.

(d)Besides the Chidush of 'Mosifin al ha'Midos, ve'Ein Mosifin Yoser mi'Sh'tus' (which is not considered two, because the latter statement is not contained in the Pasuk, and is the Chachamim's own decision), we can also learn from Yechezkel - that the sixth under discussion is a sixth of the total (which we would otherwise refer to as a fifth).

(e)And we prove this - from the Reisha of our Mishnah 'ha'Todah Haysah Ba'ah Chamesh Yerushalmiyos she'Hein Sheish Midbariyos' (which in fact, is a fifth more, and not a sixth).

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9)

(a)Our Mishnah discusses the distribution of the loaves of the Korban Todah. How many loaves does the Kohen receive as 'Terumah'?

(b)What does the Tana learn from the Pasuk in Tzav "Vehikriv mimenu ...

1. ... "Echad"?

2. ... "mi'Kol Korban"?

(c)What happens to the rest of the loaves?

(d)What does the Tana learn from the Pasuk "Ve'hikriv Mimenu"?

9)

(a)Our Mishnah discusses the distribution of the loaves of the Korban Todah. The Kohen receives - one out of ten of each of the four kinds of loaves, as 'Terumah'.

(b)The Tana learn from the Pasuk in Tzav "Vehikriv mimenu ...

1. ... "Echad" - that he has to receive a whole loaf and not a piece, or pieces.

2. ... "mi'Kol Korban" - that all the loaves have to be together, when the Terumah is taken.

(c)The rest of the loaves - are eaten by the owner.

(d)The Tana learns from the Pasuk "Ve'hikriv Mimenu" - that the Kohen has to receive one of each of the four kinds (and not two from one and none from the other).

10)

(a)What does the Beraisa learn from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Terumah" (in Tzav) "Terumah" (in Korach, in connection with T'rumas Ma'aser)?

(b)On what basis does the Tana suggest that we learn the Din of the Todah from ...

1. ... T'rumas Ma'aser rather than from Bikurim (where the Torah also writes "T'rumah")?

2. ... Bikurim rather than from T'rumas Ma'aser?

(c)What does he ultimately learn from "mimenu Terumah la'Hashem"?

(d)And what does the Tana learn from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Lechem" (in Tzav) "Lechem" (in Emor, in connection with the Sh'tei ha'Lechem)?

10)

(a)The Tana learns from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Terumah" (in Tzav) "T'rumah" - that, like T'rumas Ma'aser, the owner has to give the Kohen one tenth of the loaves (as we explained).

(b)The Tana suggests that we learn the Din of the Todah from ...

1. ... T'rumas Ma'aser rather than from Bikurim (where the Torah also writes "T'rumah") - because, like T'rumas Ma'aser, it is the final Matanah (unlike Bikurim, which is followed by other Matanos).

2. ... Bikurim rather than from T'rumas Ma'aser - because, like Bikurim (which must be eaten in Yerushalayim), it can only be eaten in a holy place (unlike T'rumas Ma'aser, which can be eaten anywhere in Eretz Yisrael).

(c)He ultimately learns from "mimenu Terumah la'Hashem" - that we learn the Din by the Lachmei Todah from that of T'rumas Ma'aser (where the Torah also writes "mimenu T'rumah") and not from that of Bikurim (where the word T'rumah does not appear).

(d)The Tana learns from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' "Lechem" (in Tzav) "Lechem" (in Emor, in connection with the Sh'tei ha'Lechem) - that each loaf of the Lachmei Todah, like those of the Sh'tei ha'Lechem, must comprise one Isaron.

11)

(a)We suggest that perhaps we ought to learn this 'Gezeirah-Shavah' from the Lechem ha'Panim. What difference would that make?

(b)In which two points are the Lachmei Todah compatible with the Sh'tei ha'Lechem and not with the Lechem ha'Panim?

(c)We counter this by comparing the Lachmei Todah to the Lechem ha'Panim in two ways. Besides the fact that (unlike the Sh'tei ha'Lechem) they may both be brought from the produce of Chutz la'Aretz, in what other way do they differ from the Sh'tei ha'Lechem?

11)

(a)We suggest that perhaps we ought to learn this 'Gezeirah-Shavah' from the Lechem ha'Panim - in which case, each loaf would comprise two Esronim.

(b)The Lachmei Todah are compatible with the Sh'tei ha'Lechem and not with the Lechem ha'Panim - in that they both come as Chametz, together with a Korban Beheimah.

(c)We counter this by comparing the Lachmei Todah to the Lechem ha'Panim in two ways. Besides the fact that (unlike the Sh'tei ha'Lechem) they may both be brought from the produce of Chutz la'Aretz, they also differ from the Sh'tei ha'Lechem - inasmuch as they may be brought from the old crops.

12)

(a)What do we finally learn from the word "Tavi'u" (in the Pasuk "mi'Moshvoseichem Tavi'u Lechem Tenufah Sh'tayim" [written in connection with the Sh'tei ha'Lechem])?

(b)And what do we learn from the word there "So'les Tih'yenah"? What might we otherwise have learnt from the Sh'tei ha'Lechem?

(c)How does Rav Yitzchak bar Avdimi explain this Limud? From which aspect of the word "Tih'yenah" do we learn it, according to him?

12)

(a)We finally learn from the word "Tavi'u (in the Pasuk "mi'Moshvoseichem Tavi'u Lechem Tenufah Shetayim" [written in connection with the Sh'tei ha'Lechem]), which is otherwise superfluous - that each Chalah of the Chametz loaves of the Lachmei Todah, like the Sh'tei ha'Lechem (which also consists of Chametz) should comprise an Isaron.

(b)And we learn from "So'les Tih'yenah" - that the Chametz of the Lachmei Todah, unlike the Sh'tei ha'Lechem, do not comprise only two Esronim.

(c)Rav Yitzchak bar Avdimi explains - that the Tana learns this from the extra 'Yud' in "Tih'yenah", implying 'ten' Esronim.

13)

(a)What does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk (written in connection with the Matzah loaves of the Todah) "al Chalos Lechem Chametz"?

(b)The Tana interprets the word "Ve'hikriv mimenu" to mean 'joined' (that all the loaves must be together when the Terumah is separated. By the same token, how does Rav Chisda Amar Avimi explain the Pasuk in Vayikra (in connection with the Par He'elam Davar shel Tzibur) "ve'es Kol Chelbo Yarim mimenu"?

(c)He also learns the Din of one tenth regarding Terumah (from the loaves of the Todah) from T'rumas Ma'aser. We ask why he does not learn it from ...

1. ... T'rumas Midyan. What would that entail?

2. ... T'rumas Chalah. What would that entail?

(d)How do we answer the Kashya from ...

1. ... T'rumas Midyan?

2. ... T'rumas Chalah? What is the significance of the word "mimenu", cited by Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael?

13)

(a)The Beraisa learns from the Pasuk (written in connection with the Matzah loaves of the Todah) "al Chalos Lechem Chametz" - that the Matzos must comprise the same volume of flour (ten Esronim) as the Chametz.

(b)The Tana interprets the word "Ve'hikriv mimenu" to mean 'joined' (that all the loaves must be together when the Terumah is separated. By the same token, Rav Chisda Amar Avimi explains the Pasuk (in connection with the Par He'elam Davar shel Tzibur) "ve'es Kol Chelbo Yarim Mimenu" - to mean that the animal may not be cut into pieces before the Cheilev has been removed.

(c)He also learns the Din of one tenth regarding T'rumah (from the loaves of the Todah) from T'rumas Ma'aser. We ask why he does not learn it from ...

1. ...T'rumas Midyan - which would entail giving the Kohen one fiftieth.

2. ... T'rumas Chalah - which would entail giving him one forty-eighth.

(d)And we answer that ...

1. ... T'rumas Midyan is different - inasmuch as it only happened once, whereas the Lachmei Todah and T'rumas Ma'aser are ongoing Mitzvos.

2. ... T'rumas Chalah is different in that - the word "mimenu" is not written in connection with it (as it is by the other two), as Tana de'bei Rebbi Yishmael explains.

14)

(a)Rava asks whether a Zar is Chayav Misah ve'Chomesh for eating the Lachmei Todah. What does this mean? How can one both receive the death-penalty and be obligated to pay simultaneously?

(b)What is the basis of the She'eilah? What leads us to believe that he might be Chayav?

(c)What do we then learn from the Pasuk in Emor (in connection with someone who eats T'rumah) ...

1. ... "u'Meisu bo Ki Yechaleluhu"?

2. ... "Ve'yasaf Chamishiso alav?

(d)The Tana learned the ten Esronos (ha'Eifah) by the Chametz loaves of the Todah from the extra 'Yud' in "Tih'yenah" (by the Sh'tei ha'Lechem 'Im Eino Inyan' [see Rabeinu Gershom]). How, according to Rava, do we know that this refers to tenths of an Eifah, and not (for example) ten half Kabin?

14)

(a)Rava asks whether a Zar is Chayav Misah ve'Chomesh for eating the Lachmei Todah - Misah for eating it be'Meizid, and an extra fifth (added to the principle) for eating it be'Shogeg.

(b)The She'eilah is based on the fact that we learn the Isur from T'rumas Ma'aser (by which this dual punishment is written).

(c)We learn from the Pasuk in Emor (in connection with someone who eats T'rumah) ...

1. ... "u'Meisu bo Ki Yechaleluhu" - that the death penalty applies only to what is generaly called T'rumah (i.e. T'rumah Gedolah and T'rumas Ma'aser), but not to anything else.

2. ... "Ve'ysasaf Chamishiso Alav - that the same is true of the extra fifth.

(d)The Tana learned the ten Esronos (ha'Eifah) by the Chametz loaves of the Todah from the extra 'Yud' in "Tih'yenah" (by the Sh'tei ha'Lechem 'Im Eino Inyan' [see Rabeinu Gershom]). According to Rava, we know that this refers to tenths of an Eifah, and not (for example) ten half Kabin - because (based on the principle 'Davar ha'Lameid me'Inyano') we will learn from "Sh'nei Esronim" mentioned in the same Parshah (which specifically refers to tenths of an Eifah).

15)

(a)And the Beraisa also learned that the Matzah Chalos too, require one Isaron of oil, from "al Chalos Lechem Chametz". What problem do we have with this Limud?

(b)We answer that this is a case of 'Heimenu ve'Davar Acher'. So what if it is?

(c)'Heimenu ve'Davar Acher' might mean that the Hekesh of Matzah to Chametz (ten Esronim) is not the same as that of Chametz to the Sh'tei ha'Lechem (each loaf one Isaron). What else might it mean?

(d)According to those who hold that it is nevertheless a Hekesh, we answer 'Tavi'u Ribuya hi'. What do we mean by that?

15)

(a)And the Beraisa also learned that the Matzah Chalos too, require one Isaron of oil from "al Chalos Lechem Chametz". The problem with this Limud is - that it appears to clash with the principle 'Davar ha'Lameid be'Hekesh, Ein Chozer u'Melameid be'Hekesh'.

(b)We answer that this is a case of 'Heimenu ve'Davar Acher' - in which case it is not considered 'Chozer u'Melameid be'Hekesh' (as we shall now see).

(c)'Heimenu ve'Davar Acher' might mean that the Hekesh of Matzah to Chametz (ten Esronim) is not the same as that of Chametz to the Sh'tei ha'Lechem (each loaf one Isaron). It might also mean - that since the Lameid and the Melamed are the Lachmei Todah, they are both part of one Hekesh (and not two).

(d)According to those who hold that it is nevertheless a Hekesh, we answer 'Tavi'u Ribuya hi', by which we mean - that the word "Tavi'u" which is superfluous as far as the Sh'tei ha'Lechem is concerned (as we learned earlier), in which case the first Limud of Chametz is not a Hekesh, but as if it is was written there specifically.

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