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DAF DISCUSSIONS - MENACHOS 8

Moshe Schlusselberg asked:

Shmuel says a mizrak is mekadesh dry flour. Proof is from Nesi'im who brought a mincha in a mizrak. Gemara asks, but mincha is moist. Gemara's first answer is, this refers to the dry flour that the oil didn't touch. My question is, the minhag of not eating gebrochs is due to a fear that their is some flour that didn't bake. The ikur halacha is that we aren't afraid for this. Is this gemora a proof to the minhag, and a kasha on the ikur halacha? Or do we assume: 1) When we bake matzos, we make sure it is kneaded well, especially we who use thin matzos; or 2) Does water mix better than oil does; or 3) Even though we lechatchila want a blila yafa by the mincha, we are afraid bidieved we did a partial blila, or not blila at all (like R. Zeira).

Moshe Schlusselberg, Spring Valley, NY, USA

The Kollel replies:

Given the choices of (a) that the Chachamim (Rebbi Yosi and Rebbi Meir in Pesachim 41a, "Matzah Sheruyah") permitted one to eat something that might be prohibited by an Isur Kares, and (b) that there is a difference in the very nature between Menachos and Matzah, I am inclined to choose the latter choice.

This is an example of a Halachah that depends on the Metzi'us, the actual nature of the object under discussion. If one opens up a Matzah and find pockets of flour, then he is forbidden to dip it in liquid, and the whole batch of Matzah probably needs to be checked. If one never finds pockets of flour in this kind of Matzah, then he may eat it without checking it.

It is not possible to bring proof from the Metzi'us of Menachos to the Metzi'us of Matzah anymore than it is possible to bring a proof about the possiblity of bug infestation of bananas from that of lettuce, or for that matter, to lettuce grown in sealed greenhouses to that grown outside. The Mishnah Berurah makes no mention of the Minhag of not eating gebrochts, yet it was well known that he himself kept this Minhag. When asked why he kept this Minhag if the Vilna Ga'on himself did not, he replied: "If I had the Ga'on's gebrochts, I would eat them too."

Also, keep in mind that Belilah for Menachos is only l'Chatchilah, and it is not Me'akev b'Di'evad (Mishnah, Menachos 18a; Rambam, Hilchos Ma'aseh ha'Korbanos 13:11). In contrast, a proper Lishah obviously is required for Matzah.

Kol Tuv,

Yonasan Sigler

This is not a Psak Halachah