More Discussions for this daf
1. Plowing with its mother 2. If two letters that form a word are "Bein ha'Dapim"
DAF DISCUSSIONS - MENACHOS 30

A Glatt asked:

I can not understand the shita (number 3) on daf 30b regarding the words that the shita inserts: "vechoresh im imo" - how can a ben pekuah plow with its mother? Is this a misprint? What is pshat?

Thank you.

The Kollel replies:

You appear to be correct; if the mother was slaughtered she cannot be plowing. I suppose it ought to say "v'Choresh Im *Aviv*." Male bulls were probably used for Charishah more often than female cows in either case.

I could not verify the Girsa change or find a matching Girsa in either Chulin 74b (or Mishnayos Chulin) or here, though. The Dikdukei Sofrim cites the Shitah in a footnote, quoting it as it appears in our Gemara.

M. Kornfeld

Yeshayahu HaKohen Hollander writes:

Dear Rabbi Kornfeld: I believe a Ben Pakua can plough with its mother - since the rule of Ben Pakua is inherited: If a female calf is Ben Pakua, and - after maturity - she has a calf- a male calf, in this case, then he can plough with his mother - both being 'Ben Pakua'

Yeshayahu HaKohen Hollander

Yitzchok Zirkind comments:

The questions on this Shita are many 1) how is it possible 2) why isn't this Girsa brought elsewhere 3) what exactly does the Shita want to be Michdeish here 4) even the addition of a 4 year old Lmai Nafka Mina Yesh Bichlal Mosayim Moneh.

Now WRT to your answer on #1 you answered how it is possible, but I still don't see how that fits in with the whole statement the Gemara continues that the Shchita of his mother permits him, in your that case its Hetter does not come from the Shchita of *Emo*. and to split hairs and say that Lhalacha the mothers mother is also "Emo" for 2 reasons a) as we find that grandparents are called parents b) we would say that Halachicly this is one extension from the grand mother, and hence interpret the Gemara as follows: Choresh im "Emo" refers to the biological mother and Shchitas "Emo" refers to another body the Halachik mother IMHO is a bit farfetched.

Kol Tuv,

Yitzchok Zirkind