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4. Keitzad Ein HaEdim Neasim Zomemim 5. Edut Sh'eino Yachol L'haziman 6. Question on the second Kal Vachomer.
7. Rebbi Yochanan's Kal v'Chomer 8. Eidim Zomemim 9. Rebbi Yochanan's Kal v'Chomer
10. Does the Gerushah become a Chalalah? 11. Damages 12. Iy Atah Yachol Lehazimah, and Kim Lei...
13. 40 lashes 14. Minah Hani Mili 15. Edus she'I Efshar l'Hazimah
16. Malkus for Edim Zomemim in a case of Ben Gerushah, Tosfos 17. Question on Suggestion of First Tosfos 18. First Tosfos on Daf 2a
19. Mitzri Sheni 20. Lo Sa'aneh Without an Action 21. Mitzri Sheni
22. Ben Gerushah And Ben Chalutzah 23. Chalutzah 24. Galus
25. Chalalah 26. R Yochanons Kal v'Chomer- Insights 27. Killing b'Shogeg or b'Meizid
28. Ma'aseh or not? 29. v'Lo Ka'asher Asah 30. Tosfos on "Mah ha'Sokel"
31. Tosfos and Maharsha 2b 32. R. Yochanan's Kal v'Chomer 33. Question on the Ritva from Shifchah Charufah (in Insights)
34. מכות בגימטריא הרהורים 35. מכות בגימטריא הרהורים 36. תוספות ד"ה מעידין
37. אין עושין בהן דין הזמה כל עיקר 38. והצדיקו את הצדיק 39. בגניבתו ולא בזממו
DAF DISCUSSIONS - MAKOS 2

David Shamsi responded:

I don't see how either of these explanations are Kal vchomers. How do they fit into Rev'Yochanan's Lashon?

Thank you

David

The Kollel replies:

The Kal v'Chomer, according to Reb Elchanan, is as follows; "If the accused had been (wrongly) convicted of an intentional murder through a physical act, he would not have been sentenced to Galus, the Eidim, whom we would want to pass the sentence over to, who did not do a physical act, but did intentionally give testimony, certainly do not go to Galus".

This Kal v'Chomer sets out to show that Galus is unsuitable for a Mezid. The Kal v'Chomer relies on the fact that a murderer is more Chamur than Eidim Zomemim, but still does not go to Galus because he was Mezid, in which case Eidim Zomemim certainly do not go to Galus.

We need Rav Elchanan's or Rav Rozowski's Svara, because otherwise we may assume that the Galus given to Eidim Zomemim is not a normal Galus, but a Din of Ka'asher Zamam and is suitable even when the Eidim are Mezidim.

Dov Freeedman