AFTER A LONG BACK AND FORTH IN WHICH THE GEMARA TRIES TO PROVE THAT ONES IS REALLY A CASE OF LAV HANITAK LASEH AND NOT A CASE OF LO T'ASEH SHEKIDMO ASEH ( AND THEREFORE NOT A STIRA TO R' YOCHANAN)IT FINNALY CONCLUDES THAT WE LEARN THE ASEH FOR BEING MACHZIR GRUSHA IN THE CASE ONES FROM THE WORDS KOL YAMAV, AND BEING THAT THIS ASEH CAN ONLY BE PERFORMED AFTER BEING OVER THE LAV OF LO YUCHAL L'SHALCHA, IT IS A CASE OF LAV HANITAK LASEH AND THEREFORE YOU DONT GET MAKOS AND THERE IS NO STIRA FOR R' YOCHANAN TO ANSWER.

MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE WORDS KOL YAMAV IN THE CASE OF MOTZI SHEM RA? IN THE CASE OF MOTZI SHEM RA, THE GEMARA SAYS THAT THE ASEH FOR A PERSON TO BE MACHZIR GRUSHA IN THAT CASE COMES FROM THE WORDS " VLO T'HIYEH L'ISHA" - AND WE DONT NEED ANYTHING TO TELL US ABOUT AN INITIAL REQUIREMENT TO MARRY HER SINCE THE MAN IN THAT CASE IS ALREADY FULLY MARRIED TO HER HAVING DONE BOTH ERUSIN AND NESUIN? HOW THEN DO WE DARSHIN KOL YAMAV?

PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

ARI, NEW YORK, NY