1)

(a)What Shi'ur Yad does our Mishnah give for a skin that is being removed to use as ...

1. ... a spread to sit or lie on (or as a rug)?

2. ... a honey jar? Why the difference?

(b)What do we mean by ...

1. ... Lehachnis Tum'ah?

2. ... Lehotzi Tum'ah?

(c)The Tana equates a Beheimah with a Chayah, a Tehorah with a Temei'ah and a Dakah with a Gasah in this regard. What does he mean by ...

1. ... a Tehorah?

2. ... a Temei'ah? What is the case?

1)

(a)The Shi'ur Yad that our Mishnah gives for a skin that is being removed to use as ...

1. ... a spread to sit or lie on (or as a rug) is - K'dei Achizah (the amount that is needed to hold it with [which will be clarified later]).

2. ... a honey jar is - all the skin from the neck up to the chest (the hardest part of the animal to remove), because since one pulls off the skin on both sides simultaneously (as opposed to the previous case, where they cut an opening down the length of the body first, making the skinning much easier), a larger Yad is needed.

(b)By ...

1. ... Lehachnis Tum'ah we mean that - if he is Tamei, when he touches the Yad, he renders the Basar Tamei ...

2. ... Lehotzi Tum'ah we mean that - in the case of a Neveilah, when he touches the Yad, he becomes Tamei.

(c)The Tana equates a Beheimah with a Chayah, a Tehorah with a Temei'ah and a Dakah with a Gasah in this regard. By ...

1. ... a Tehorah, he means - a Kasher animal that has been Shechted (but he is Tamei [which is equivalent to Lehotzi]).

2. ... a Temei'ah, he means a Neveilah (but he is Tahor [which is equivalent to Lehachnis]).

2)

(a)The Tana adds that in a case of Margil, all the skin is considered a Yad. What is Margil? What does he intend to use the skin for?

(b)Why is Margil different than Mafshit in this regard?

(c)Assuming that the skin around the neck has not yet been removed, why does Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri not consider it joined to the rest of the skin?

(d)What do the Chachamim then say?

2)

(a)The Tana adds that in a case of Margil - where he begins the skinning from the feet (with the intention of making a flask out of it, in which case he removes the skin on both sides simultaneously, like in the previous case]), it is all considered a Yad.

(b)Margil is different than Mafshit in this regard - in that one begins the skinning from the hind legs, in which case one has a long way to go until reaching the chest, and more Yad is needed (see Tiferes Yisrael).

(c)Even if the skin around the neck has not yet been removed, Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri does not consider it joined to the rest of the skin - because one tends to remove it independently.

(d)The Chachamim however, hold that - as long as it is still attached, it is considered joined.

3)

(a)According to Rav, the skin between the K'dei Achizah and that which has not yet been removed is all Tahor. What does Rebbi Asi say? Why is that?

(b)What about the skin that is still joined to the body of the animal?

(c)How will Rebbi Asi explain the Beraisa ...

1. ... (in connection with the Din of K'dei Achizah) 'mi'Ka'an va'Eilech ha'Noge'a be'Mufshat, Tahor'?

2. ... 'Or she'Keneged ha'Basar Tamei' (seemingly precluding the Tefach that is next to it)?

3. ... which adds, after reiterating the opening statement in our Mishnah 've'Tefach ha'Samuch le'Basar, Tahor'?

(d)How does Abaye reconcile the Beraisa, which gives the Shi'ur of K'dei Achizah as a Tefach, with another Beraisa, which gives it as two Tefachim?

(e)How do we prove Abaye right?

3)

(a)According to Rav, the skin between the K'dei Achizah and that which has not yet been removed is all Tahor. Rebbi Asi holds that - the Tefach next to the skin which is still attached is a Yad, because one tends to hold it to pull off the skin that is still joined to the Basar.

(b)The skin that is still joined to the body of the animal is - Tamei as a Shomer (since it protects the Basar).

(c)Rebbi Asi explains that the Beraisa ...

1. ... (in connection with the Din of K'dei Achizah) 'mi'Ka'an va'Eilech ha'Noge'a be'Mufshat, Tahor' means that - the remainder of the detached skin is Tahor, apart from the last Tefach.

2. ... 'Or she'Keneged ha'Basar Tamei' - incorporates the last Tefach that is next to it.

3. ... which adds, after reiterating the opening statement in our Mishnah 've'Tefach ha'Samuch le'Basar, Tahor' - is talking about the Tefach that is next to the Yad, which he never uses as a Yad. But after he has skinned a few Tefachim, when the removed skin becomes heavy, he begins skinning from that last Tefach.

(d)Abaye reconciles the Beraisa which gives the Shi'ur of K'dei Achizah as a Tefach, with another Beraisa, which gives it as two Tefachim - by explaining the first Beraisa to mean Tefach Kaful (a double Tefach [presumably because that is the way one holds the skin]).

(e)We prove Abaye right - from a third Beraisa, which specifically gives the Shi'ur as Tefach Kaful.

4)

(a)The Mishnah in Keilim speaks about a coat that the owner began to tear. Why did he do that?

(b)At which stage are the two parts no longer considered joined?

(c)What are the ramifications of this statement?

4)

(a)The Mishnah in Keilim speaks about a coat that became Tamei, and that the owner began to tear - in order to make it Tahor.

(b)The two parts are no longer considered joined - when the majority of the coat is torn ...

(c)... at which point - the coat becomes Tahor.

5)

(a)How will we reconcile this with the Sugya in the fourth Perek, 'Sheloshah al Sheloshah she'Hayah Tamei Medras u'Maga ha'Zav, ve'Chilko, Tahor min ha'Medras ve'Adayin Tamei Maga ha'Zav'?

(b)Rav Nachman Amar Rabah bar Avuhah qualifies this ruling by drawing a distinction between a Talis that is a T'vul-Yom and one that is not. What does he say?

5)

(a)The Sugya in fourth Perek, 'Sheloshah al Sheloshah she'Hayah Tamei Medras u'Maga ha'Zav, ve'Chilko, Tahor min ha'Medras ve'Adayin Tamei Maga ha'Zav' - is speaking where there were two Tum'os to begin with, which is why even after the one (whose Shi'ur is three Tefachim by three Tefachim, becomes Bateil, the other one (whose Shi'ur is three by three finger-breadths) remains intact. Whereas in our case, where there is only one Tum'ah, once the garment becomes Bateil, it is Bateil, and we do not contend with the fact that it is still fit to receive another Tum'ah.

(b)Rav Nachman Amar Rabah bar Avuhah qualifies this ruling by drawing a distinction between a Talis that is a T'vul-Yom and one that is not - in that in the case of the latter, the Chachamim decreed that, in order to save his coat, he may avoid tearing the majority, but claim that he did, whereas in the case of the former, this is unlikely, seeing as he already demonstrated his good faith by Toveling the garment (even though Tevilah spoils it), he will not refrain from tearing the majority.

6)

(a)Rabah disagrees with Rav Nachman. He maintains that if anything, it is worse when the coat is a T'vul-Yom. Why is that?

(b)And how does he query Rav Nachman from Olas ha'Of according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon (in the first Perek), who requires the Kohen to be Molek Rov Shenayim of an Olas ha'Of?

(c)Rav Yosef however, defends Rav Nachman. How does he counter Rabah's ...

1. ... first objection?

2. ... second objection?

6)

(a)Rabah disagrees with Rav Nachman. He maintains, that if anything, it is worse if the coat is a T'vul-Yom - because then people who are not aware that the coat was torn in order to be able to use it, will think that Tevilah does not require Ha'arev-Shemesh (nightfall).

(b)He also queries Rav Nachman from Olas ha'Of according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon (in the first Perek), who requires the Kohen to be Molek Rov Sh'nayim of an Olas ha'Of. Why do we not suspect there too, that he will be Molek exactly a half, and then declare that he cut a majority?

(c)Rav Yosef however, defends Rav Nachman. He counters Rabah's ...

1. ... first objection - by arguing that the torn garment bears evidence that it was the tear, and not the Tevilah, that rendered the garment Tahor.

2. ... second objection - by applying the principle Kohanim Zerizim heim, and are not therefore subject to such suspicions.

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7)

(a)We query Rav Nachman from our Mishnah 'ha'Mafshit bi'Veheimah u've'Chayah ... li'Sheti'ach, K'dei Achizah'. Why do we not also suspect that he will skin K'dei Achizah and then, after touching something that is Tamei, claim that he already skinned more, in which case the Tahor Basar will remain Tahor, when really it ought to be declared Tamei (see Tosfos DH 'Dilma')?

(b)What Tum'ah de'Rabbanan is applicable in the case of Tahor bi'Temei'ah (where a Tahor person touches the Yad of a Temei'ah)?

(c)This latter ruling is based on a statement of Avuhah di'Shmuel. In which case did he declare a T'reifah, Tamei?

7)

(a)We query Rav Nachman from our Mishnah 'ha'Mafshit bi'Veheimah u've'Chayah ... li'Sheti'ach, K'dei Achizah'. We do not suspect there that he will skin K'dei Achizah and then, after touching something that is Tamei, claim that he already skinned more, in which case the Tahor Basar will remain Tahor, when really it ought to be declared Tamei (see Tosdos DH 'Dilma') - because our Mishnah is speaking about a case of Tum'ah de'Rabbanan (to which the Gezeirah does not apply, even if the animal is Kodshim), such as someone who entered a gathering of drawn water with his head and most of his body (or any one of the other eighteen things listed in the first Perek of Shabbos).

(b)Tum'ah de'Rabbanan is also applicable in the case of Tahor bi'Temei'ah (not where a Tahor person touched the Yad of a Neveilah or of a Beheimah Temei'ah, but) - where a Tamei person touched the Yad of a T'reifah Shechutah (which is not Tamei min ha'Torah).

(c)This latter ruling is based on a statement of Avuhah di'Shmuel, who declared a T'reifah, Tamei - by a Beheimah of Kodshim.

8)

(a)We query Rav Nachman again from another Beraisa quoted in the name of Rebbi Shimon 'ha'Mafshit bi'Sheratzim, Chibur'. Why is that?

(b)What can we extrapolate from there?

(c)Why does this pose a Kashya on Rav Nachman?

(d)How do we answer this Kashya? If the inference does not refer to the removed skin that is in excess of a Tefach, then to what does it refer?

(e)Who is then the author of the Beraisa?

8)

(a)We query Rav Nachman again from another Beraisa quoted in the name of Rebbi Shimon 'ha'Mafshit bi'Sheratzim, Chibur' - because Sheratzim are particularly difficult to skin.

(b)We can extrapolate from there that - with regard to Beheimos (even Temei'os, such as camels), the removed skin that is in excess of one Tefach, is not considered a Chibur (a Yad) ...

(c)... a Kashya on Rav Nachman - because their Tum'ah is d'Oraysa.

(d)We answer - by switching the inference to the skin of the neck, in a case of Margil, where one has not yet reached the skin of the neck ...

(e)... according to Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri, who does not consider the skin of the neck joined.

9)

(a)Reverting to the Mishnah in Keilim 'Talis she'Hischil bah Likro'a ... Eino Chibur, u'Tehorah', what does Rav Huna in the name of Rebbi Shimon b'Rebbi Yossi say about a case where the remaining minority is K'dei Ma'afores? What is a Ma'afores?

(b)Resh Lakish too, qualifies the Mishnah. In which case will the Miy'ut not become Bateil according to him?

(c)What does Rebbi Yochanan say?

9)

(a)Reverting to the Mishnah in Keilim 'Talis she'Hischil Bah Likro'a ... Eino Chibur u'Tehorah', Rav Huna in the name of Rebbi Shimon b'Rebbi Yossi rules that, in a case where the remaining minority is K'dei Ma'afores (a head-gear that hangs over the neck) - which is Chashuv, it is still considered joined.

(b)Resh Lakish too, qualifies the Mishnah According to him, the Miy'ut will not become Bateil - if the torn garment is made of leather, which becomes as good as new once it has been stitched.

(c)Rebbi Yochanan - does not differentiate.

10)

(a)Rebbi Yochanan queries Resh Lakish from a Mishnah in Keilim 'Or Tamei Medras, Chishev alav li'Retzu'os ve'Sand'lim, Keivan she'Nasan bo Izmal (a knife) Tahor'. This is the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah. What do the Chachamim say? What is the significance of five Tefachim?

(b)What is now the Kashya on Resh Lakish?

(c)How does Resh Lakish answer it? What is the difference between the two cases?

(d)Why, according to the Chachamim, does the piece of leather remain Tamei until less than the Shi'ur remains, whereas the Talis becomes Tahor once the Rov has been cut, even though the Miy'ut contains a Shi'ur Tum'ah?

10)

(a)Rebbi Yochanan queries Resh Lakish from a Mishnah in Keilim 'Or Tamei Medras, Chishev alav li'Retzu'os ve'Sand'lim, Keivan she'Nasan bo Izmal (a knife) Tahor'. This is the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah. The Chachamim hold that - it remains Tamei until the Miy'ut that remains is less than five Tefachim (which is the Shi'ur Tum'as Medras of leather) ...

(b)... a Kashya on Resh Lakish, according to whom the piece of leather should remain joined as long as it is larger than K'dei Ma'afores.

(c)Resh Lakish answers - by differentiating between the way one cuts a Talis (one neat cut, leaving what remains nice and strong), and the way one cuts a piece of leather (by making many cuts in it, which weakens the entire piece).

(d)According to the Chachamim, the piece of leather remain Tamei until less than the Shi'ur remains - since its status (of a piece of leather) has not changed, whereas the Talis becomes Tahor once the Rov has been cut, even though the Miy'ut contains a Shi'ur Tum'ah - because its status as a Beged becomes Bateil once a majority has been cut.

11)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah queries Resh Lakish from our Mishnah 'ha'Mafshit bi'Veheimah u've'Chayah ... li'Sheti'ach, K'dei Achizah'. How does this pose a Kashya on Resh Lakish?

(b)How does Rebbi Avin answer this Kashya? Why are the two cases not comparable?

11)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah queries Resh Lakish from our Mishnah 'ha'Mafshit bi'Veheimah u've'Chayah ... li'Sheti'ach, K'dei Achizah' - from which we infer Ha Yoser mi'Chedei Achizah, Tahor, a Kashya on Resh Lakish, who maintains that leather is strong.

(b)We answer however, that the two cases are not comparable - since in the latter case, once the skin has been severed from the Basar, it does not stand to be re-attached (like the leather in Resh Lakish's cased, which stands to be re-sewn.

12)

(a)Rav Yosef queried Rav Nachman from Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri in the Seifa of our Mishnah 'Or she'al ha'Tzavar Eino Chibur'. What is the Kashya?

(b)What did Abaye retort?

(c)So how did Abaye explain the Machlokes between Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri and the Chachamim?

(d)What would they hold, assuming the skin was strong (permanent)?

12)

(a)Rav Yosef queried Rav Nachman from Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri in the Seifa of our Mishnah 'Or she'al ha'Tzavar Eino Chibur' - which speaks where the skin is still attached to the Basar, a Kashya on Rav Nachman.

(b)To which Abaye retorted that - rather than ask on Rav Nachman from Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri, Rav Yosef could just as well have supported him from the Chachamim (who hold that it is a Chibur).

(c)Abaye therefore explains that Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri and the Chachamim argue over - whether a Shomer that stands to be removed is considered a Shomer (the Chachamim) or not (Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri).

(d)On principle however - they both agree that if the skin was strong (permanent), it would be considered joined (like Rav Nachman).

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