CHULIN 57 (17 Shevat) - Dedicated by Mrs. Idelle Rudman in memory of her husband, Harav Moshe Reuven Rudman ben Harav Yosef Tuvia Rudman, on his Yahrzeit.

1)

(a)What was the She'eilah regarding the basket of birds that was brought before Rava?

(b)He declared them Kasher following his examination of the Tzomes ha'Gidin of the birds. What exactly is the Tzomes ha'Gidin?

(c)What was Rava looking for?

(d)On what condition would he have declared the birds T'reifah on account of the broken leg-bones?

(e)How do the Ge'onim define Inkuri (the type of bird that the basket contained)? Why is it called by that name?

1)

(a)The basket of birds that was brought before Rava - contained Shechted birds with broken leg-bones, some above the knee, some below.

(b)He declared the birds Kasher following an examination of their Tzomes ha'Gidin - the junction (below the knee), where sixteen nerves meet ...

(c)... to see if they were all intact (which they were).

(d)He would have declared the birds T'reifah on account of the broken leg-bones - had the broken bones protruded into the body (as we will learn in the next Perek).

(e)The Ge'onim define the Inkuri bird - as a black water-bird with white spots on its forehead (as Inkuri means spotted).

2)

(a)What does Rav Yehudah Amar Rav say about the dislocated fore-leg of an animal?

(b)He declares T'reifah ...

1. ... the dislocated thigh-bone of a bird. On what condition does this ruling apply?

2. ... a dislocated wing. Why is that?

(c)Both Shmuel and Rebbi Yochanan disagree with Rav's latter ruling. What do they say?

2)

(a)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav declares the dislocated fore-leg of an animal - Kasher.

(b)He declares T'reifah ...

1. ... the dislocated thigh-bone of a bird - provided the nerves have rotted.

2. ... a dislocated wing - because we are afraid that, due to the combined pressure of the lung inside the rib-cage and the thinness of the lung's membrane, it (the wing) will tear away part of the membrane and lung with it.

(c)Both Shmuel and Rebbi Yochanan disagree with Rav's latter ruling. According to them - it is possible to examine the bird by placing a straw into its Kaneh and blowing up the lung, and then seeing if the air escapes.

3)

(a)Why do we initially reject the literal interpretation of Chizkiyah's statement 'Ein Re'ah le'Of'?

(b)What does Rebbi Yochanan say about a bird's lung?

3)

(a)Initially, we reject the literal interpretation of Chizkiyah's statement 'Ein Re'ah le'Of' - because everybody can see that a bird does have a lung.

(b)Indeed, Rebbi Yochanan states that - it does, and that it is shaped like a rose petal and nestles between the bird's wings.

4)

(a)Neither can we interpret Chizkiyah's statement to mean that a bird's lung is not subject to T'reifus, because of the Beraisa cited by Levi (that we already discussed above). What does the Tana there say?

(b)So we try to interpret Chizkiyah's statement to mean that when examining the innards of a bird that fell from the roof or that fell into a fire, it is not necessary to examine the lungs. How does Rav Chanah explain this?

(c)How do we reject this explanation too, based on Rebbi Yochanan's statement?

(d)We finally explain Chizkiyah's strange statement with a quote by Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina. What did he say?

(e)Why do we refer to Chizkiyah as b'Rivi? What does b'Rivi mean?

4)

(a)Neither can we interpret Chizkiyah's statement to mean that a bird's lung is not subject to T'reifus, because of the Beraisa quoted by Levi (that we already cited above), which says that - (with the exception of the T'reifus of a dislocated wing), the T'reifos of a bird and of an animal are identical.

(b)So we try to interpret Chizkiyah's statement to mean that when examining the innards of a bird that fell from the roof or that fell into a fire, it is not necessary to examine the lung, because, as Rav Chanah explains - it is protected by the ribs (due to their broad shape and the angle in which they are attached to the chest.

(c)We reject this explanation too however - because Rebbi Yochanan's statement that a bird does have a lung implies that Chizkiyah holds that it doesn't.

(d)We finally explain Chizkiyah with a quote by Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina - who said jokingly, that from Chizkiyah's statement it appears that he hardly ever ate chicken (in other words, he really believed that a chicken did not possess a lung).

(e)We refer to Chizkiyah as b'Rivi - because he was (as the title implies) one of the great men of his generation.

5)

(a)What did Rabah bar Rav Huna, citing the Rabbanan of Pumbedisa in the name of Rav Yehudah, ask his father, who quoted Rav as saying that a bird with a dislocated thigh (Sh'mutas Yerech) is Kasher?

(b)Rav Huna replied 'Nahara Nahara u'Pashteih'. What does this mean ...

1. ... literally?

2. ... figuratively, in this context?

(c)So what does Rav really hold?

(d)How did Rav Yehudah then come to misquote him)?

5)

(a)Rabah bar Rav Huna queried his father, who quoted Rav as saying that a bird with a dislocated thigh (Sh'mutas ha'Yerech) is Kasher, from the Rabbanan of Pumbedisa in the name of Rav Yehudah - who declare Sh'mutas Yerech be'Of T'reifah.

(b)Rav Huna replied 'Nahara Nahara u'Pashteih', which means ...

1. ... literally that - even two tributaries of the same river are different (one is turbulent, the other, calm).

2. ... figuratively, in this context - different places (Pumbedisa and the rest of Bavel) had different Minhagim. Consequently, it is not surprising if in Pumbedisa they forbade Shemutas Yerech be'Of, whereas in the rest of Bavel, they permitted it.

(c)Rav really holds that it is Kasher. However, when he arrived in Pumbedisa, not wanting to contravene local Minhag, he forbade it ...

(d)... and it was Rav Yehudah, who resided in Pumbedisa. who misquoted him - thinking that Rav's ruling was based on his personal opinion.

6)

(a)What did Rebbi Aba ask Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba (from Rav Huna Amar Rav) when he found him examining the Tzomes ha'Gidin?

(b)In reply, the latter quoted him a Mishnah in the fourth Perek, which declares an animal with its legs amputated below the knee, Kasher; above the knee, T'reifah. What does the Tana there say about the Tzomes ha'Gidin?

(c)What did Rav comment with regard to that Mishnah, regarding birds?

(d)How does Rav now appear to contradict himself?

6)

(a)When Rebbi Aba found Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba examining the Tzomes ha'Gidin, he queried him from Rav Huna Amar Rav - who considers a missing Tzomes ha'Gidin, Kasher.

(b)In reply, the latter quoted him a Mishnah in the fourth Perek, which declares an animal with its legs amputated below the knee, Kasher; above the knee, T'reifah - and T'reifah, if the Tzomes ha'Gidin is cut.

(c)And Rav commented there - 've'Chein be'Of' ...

(d)... which appears to contradict the ruling of Rav Huna in his name 'Sh'mutas Yerech be'Of, Kesheirah'.

7)

(a)When Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba remained silent, how did Rebbi Aba himself resolve the contradiction?

(b)What objection did Rebbi Yirmiyah raise to Rebbi Aba's answer?

(c)Based on what principle should it come as no surprise that if on the one hand, the entire leg is removed, the animal is Kasher, whilst on the other, if only the Tzomes ha'Gidin has been cut, it is T'reifah?

7)

(a)When Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba remained silent, Rebbi Aba himself resolved the contradiction - by differentiating between a dislocated leg (which is Kasher) and an amputated one (which is T'reifah).

(b)Rebbi Yirmiyah objected to Rebbi Aba giving this answer - in his own name, without referring to Rav himself who drew this distinction.

(c)Based on the principle - Chutchah mi'Ka'an u'Meisah ve'Chutchah mi'Ka'an ve'Chaysah (from which we extrapolate that one cannot compare one T'reifus to another), it should come as no surprise if, on the one hand, if the entire leg is removed, the animal is Kasher, whilst on the other, if only the Tzomes ha'Gidin has been cut, it is T'reifah.

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8)

(a)When Rebbi Aba arrived in Eretz Yisrael (some time after Rebbi Zeira), what did he hear the latter citing Rav, say about 'Shemutas Yerech ha'Of '? Why was he surprised?

(b)What did he comment to Rebbi Zeira? What made him think that his version of Rav Huna Amar Rav's ruling was the right one?

(c)How did he further support his opinion from Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba?

(d)When Rebbi Aba asked Rebbi Zeira what he thought about the matter, he cited Rav Chiya bar Ashi Amar Rav and Rav Ya'akov bar Idi Amar Rebbi Yochanan. What did they say?

8)

(a)When Rebbi Aba arrived in Eretz Yisrael (some time after Rebbi Zeira) - he was surprised to hear the latter quote Rav Huna citing Rav 'Shemutas Yerech be'Of, T'reifah' ...

(b)... and he commented to Rebbi Zeira that - he personally had had occasion to ask Rav Huna about Shemutas Yerech be'Of, and that the latter had specifically quoted Rav as ruling that it is Kasher.

(c)And he further supported his opinion - by repeating the previous Sugya, where Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba also cited Rav Yehudah Amar Rav in this way.

(d)When Rebbi Aba asked Rebbi Zeira what he thought about the matter, he cited Rav Chiya bar Ashi Amar Rav and Rav Ya'akov bar Idi Amar Rebbi Yochanan - who both ruled hat is is tT'reifah.

9)

(a)According to Rebbi Ya'akov bar Idi, what would Rebbi Yochanan have done had he been present when the Chaverim permitted Sh'emutas Yerech be'Of?

(b)Whom did Rebbi Chanina quote in that ruling?

(c)What did Rebbi Chanina himself do after Rebbi permitted the chicken in question?

(d)Why did he salt it?

9)

(a)According to Rebbi Ya'akov bar Idi, had Rebbi Yochanan been present when the Chaverim permitted Shemutas Yerech be'Of - he would not have dared to 'flap a wing' (to protest), because they were great men.

(b)Rebbi Chanina quoted - Rebbi in that ruling.

(c)After Rebbi permitted the chicken in question - Rebbi Chanina salted it in order to preserve it and show it to his Talmidim.

(d)He salted it - so that he should be able to teach more Talmidim.

10)

(a)At the end of the day however, the Halachah is like Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi. What did Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi reply when Rebbi Yossi ben Nehora'i asked him for the Shi'ur that renders T'reifah 'a skylight' that is cut into the Kaneh?

(b)On what basis did Rebbi Yossi ben Nehora'i query that ruling? What did they use the splinter of cane for?

(c)Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi's counter argument was based on the ruling that Shemutas Yerech be'Of is T'reifah, and the story of Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta's chicken whose thigh-bone became dislocated. How did they seemingly cure it?

(d)What point is Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi making? How does he prove from there that a T'reifah cannot be cured?

10)

(a)At the end of the day however, the Halachah is like Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi, who, when Rebbi Yossi ben Nehora'i asked him for the Shi'ur that renders T'reifah 'a skylight' that is cut into the Kaneh - with the Mishnah 'ad ke'Isar ha'Italki'.

(b)Rebbi Yossi ben Nehora'i queried this ruling however - based on the splinter of cane that they used to close the 'skylight' of a lamb that was defective in this way, and the wound healed.

(c)Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi's counter argument was based on the ruling 'Shemutas Yerech be'Of, T'reifah, and the story of Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta's chicken whose thigh-bone became dislocated, which they seemingly cured - by tying the tube of a cane in the area of the dislocation to which they attached the dislocated thigh-bone (as a kind of splint).

(d)Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi's is bringing a proof from there that a T'reifah cannot be cured (even if initially it appears that it can) - since he knew for a fact that in Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta's case, the chicken's wound appeared to heal at first, but it died within twelve months. So he assumed that that is what happened to Rebbi Yossi ben Nehora'i's lamb, too.

11)

(a)What did Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta do with a chicken that had lost its fluff, to disprove Rebbi Yehudah, who maintains in our Mishnah that such a chicken is T'reifah?

(b)Why did he choose specifically a cloth used by coppersmiths?

(c)What happened to the chicken?

(d)What does this prove? Perhaps Rebbi Yehudah will hold that a T'reifah can become stronger?

(e)They referred to Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta as 'Askan bi'Devarim' (an activist) because he applied his theories practically. Why did Rav Mesharshaya find it necessary to bring a second incident to support this title?

11)

(a)When Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta's chicken lost its fluff, in order to disprove Rebbi Yehudah, who maintains in our Mishnah that such a chicken is T'reifah - he first placed it in the oven to heat up, then he covered it with a cloth that is used by coppersmiths ...

(b)... which is exceptionally warm, due to a. its thickness, and b. because the copper which it wraps gives the cloth a permanent warmth.

(c)The wings turned out even better than they had been previously.

(d)... a proof - that a bird that has lost its fluff is not a T'reifah, because, even assuming that Rebbi Yehudah holds that a T'reifah can become stronger - that is not true of the limb or area which caused it to become a T'reifah.

(e)They referred to Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta as 'Askan bi'Devarim' (an activist) because he applied his theories practically. Rav Mesharshaya found it necessary to bring a second incident to support this title however - because, as we already learned, a person does not earn a title on account of one single incident.

12)

(a)What does Shlomoh ha'Melech say in Mishlei about an ant? What makes the fact that it prepares its food in the summer for the winter months ahead even more remarkable?

(b)What did Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta do on one hot summer's day, when after spreading his coat over an ant's nest (to create shade), he spotted a single ant leaving its nest?

(c)How did he set out to prove Shlomoh right from there?

12)

(a)Shlomoh ha'Melech in Mishlei sings the praises of an ant, which prepares its food in the summer for the winter months ahead - even though "it has no captain, policeman or ruler" (to enforce the law).

(b)When, on one hot summer's day, Rebbi Shimon ben Chalafta, after spreading his coat over an ant's nest (to create shade), he spotted a single ant leaving its nest - he marked the ant to be able to identify it, he waited for the other ants (who had just been informed that there was shade outside) to emerge from the nest.

(c)He set out to prove Shlomoh right from there - by removing his coat and witnessing how the other ants (believing that the marked ant had tricked them) set upon it and killed it, a proof that ants live in a state of anarchy; otherwise they would have first consulted the king.

13)

(a)Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava however, rejected this proof, for any one of three reasons. Perhaps, he argued, the king was among the ants that killed the guilty ant, or perhaps there was a royal edict in effect sentencing to death any ant that tricked his fellow ants. What third argument did he present, to refute the proof that ants have no king?

(b)On which Pasuk in Shoftim is this theory based?

(c)How do we nevertheless know that Shlomoh ha'Melech was right?

13)

(a)Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava however, rejected this proof, for any one of three reasons. Perhaps, he argued, the king was present and had issued the order to kill it, or perhaps there was a royal edict in effect sentencing to death any ant that tricked his fellow ants - or perhaps, the king had died ...

(b)... as the Pasuk states in Shoftim "In those days, there was no king in Yisrael, and each man did as he pleased".

(c)We nevertheless know that Shlomoh ha'Melech was right - because we can trust him, bearing in mind that he possessed Ru'ach ha'Kodesh.

14)

(a)We query Rav Huna, who states that if an animal survives twelve months, it cannot be a T'reifah, from a Beraisa. The Tana Kama holds that not having babies is a sign that an animal is a T'reifah. What sign does Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel give by which we know that an animal ...

1. ... is not a T'reifah?

2. ... is a T'reifah?

(b)What did the Chachamim retort when Rebbi gave the maximum survival period as thirty days?

(c)What is now the Kashya on Rav Huna?

(d)How do we answer it?

14)

(a)We query Rav Huna, who states that if an animal survives twelve months, it cannot be a T'reifah, from a Beraisa, where the Tana Kama holds that not having babies is a sign that an animal is a T'reifah. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel gives the sign by which we know that an animal ...

1. ... is not a T'reifah - as the fact that it becomes stronger.

2. ... is a T'reifah - as the fact that it deteriorates.

(b)When Rebbi gave the maximum survival as thirty days, the Chachamim retorted that - there had been known to be T'reifos that survive two or three years.

(c)In any event - there is no opinion in the Beraisa that gives the maximum life-span of a T'reifah as twelve months, a Kashya on Rav Huna.

(d)We answer that - this is in fact a Machlokes Tana'im, and that there is an opinion that supports Rav Huna's ruling (as we will now see).

15)

(a)We already learned that the Shi'ur of a hole that negates the Tum'as Ohel of a skull, and that makes a live animal a T'reifah, is the size of the head of a doctor's awl. What will be the Din if there are many small holes in the skull?

(b)What did Rebbi Yossi ben ha'Meshulam relate about a man from Inbul, that seems to disprove this Halachah?

(c)How did Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar counter that? What does this prove?

(d)What does Rav Acha bar Ya'akov say about a T'reifah?

15)

(a)We already learned that the Shi'ur of a hole that negates the Tum'as Ohel of a skull, and that makes a live animal a T'reifah, is the size of the head of a doctor's awl - and the same will apply where there are many small holes in a skull that add up to that Shi'ur.

(b)Rebbi Yossi ben ha'Meshulam related the story of a man from Inbul - whose skull was broken and contained holes whic added up to that Shi'ur, yet when they covered them with a piece of dry gourd, he survived (apparently disproving this Halachah).

(c)Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar however, countered - that this operation took place n the summer, and by the time winter came to an end, he had died, a proof for Rav Huna (that a T'reifah cannot survive two or three years, like the Chachamim in the previous Beraisa).

(d)Rav Acha bar Ya'akov says that - it is possible for a T'reifah to bear children and to become stronger (not like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel).

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