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(a) Having established that the Toldos of Shor are like Shor, and those of Bor are like Bor, we turn to Mav'eh. What is Mav'eh, according to Rav?
(b) On what basis do we reject the suggestion that the Av of Adam ha'Mazik is Er (when he is awake) and the Toldah, Yashein (when he is asleep), and that this is what Rav Papa's 'Toldoseihen Lav k'Yotzei Bahen' refers to (see Tosfos DH 'Toldah')?
(c) So what are the Toldos of Adam?
(d) And on what grounds do we refute the suggestion that Rav Papa's 'Toldoseihen Lav k'Yotzei Bahen' refers to these latter Toldos?
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6)
(a) Next, we turn to Esh to try and establish 'Toldoseihen Lav k'Yotzei Bahen' of Rav Papa. What are the Toldos of Esh?
(b) On what grounds do we refute that suggestion too?
(c) So we finally establish Rav Papa by one specific Toldah of Regel. Which Toldah is he referring to? In what way does the Toldah differ from the Av?
(d) What then makes it a Toldah of Regel?
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(a) Seeing as he pays for only half the damage (like Keren Tam), in what respect does Tzeroros have the Din of Regel, according to ...
1. ... Rav Papa?
2. ... Rava (who is uncertain whether Tzeroros pays from the body of the Mazik or from his own pocket)?
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8)
(a) According to Rav, 'Mav'eh' means Adam, based initially on the Pasuk in Yeshayah "Amar Shomer Asa Boker v'Gam Laylah, Im Tiv'ayun Be'ayu Shuvu Eisayu". If (on a more Midrashic level) "Shomer" in that Pasuk refers to Hash-m, "Boker" to the redemption for the Tzadikim and "Laylah", to darkness for the Resha'im, what is the meaning of ...
1. ... "Im Tiv'ayun Be'ayu"?
2. ... "Shuvu Eisayu"?
(b) Shmuel bases his interpretation of 'Mav'eh', on Rav Yosef's translation of the Pasuk in Ovadyah "Eich Nechpesu Esav, Niv'u Matzpunav". How does Rav Yosef translate "Niv Matzpunav"?
(c) How does Shmuel now interpret 'Mav'eh'?
(d) What is the connection between them?
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(a) Rav declines to learn like Shmuel, because if Mav'eh means Shen, then the Tana should have called it 'Niv'eh' (is revealed), and not 'Mav'eh' (implying that it reveals others). Why does Shmuel decline to learn like Rav? What should the Tana have called it according to Rav's interpretation?
(b) Seeing as neither opinion fits grammatically, what is Rav's reason for explaining Mav'eh to mean Adam?
(c) To counter Rav, how does Rav Yehudah (according to Shmuel) interpret ...
1. ... 'Shor', according to Rav Yehudah?
2. ... 'Mav'eh'?
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