12TH CYCLE DEDICATION

BECHOROS 18 (6 Kislev) - Dedicated in honor of the Yahrzeit of Eliezer ben Reb Shraga Feivel Marmorstein by his nephew, Mr. David Kornfeld, whom Mr. Marmorstein raised like his own child after the Holocaust.

1)

(a)We just cited Rebbi Eliezer, who requires the two towns between which the murdered man was found, to bring two Eglah Arufos. What does the Tana Kama of the Beraisa say?

(b)On what grounds do we refute the suggestion that they are arguing over whether we say Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Adam (Rebbi Eliezer) or not (the Tana Kama)?

(c)In which point do the Chachamim then disagree with Rebbi Eliezer?

(d)Rav Chiya bar Avin Amar Rav Amram finally resolves the She'eilah from another Beraisa, where the Chachamim of Rebbi Eliezer rule that the two towns bring one Eglah between them and stipulate that it will cover the obligation of whichever town is the nearest. What does he prove from there?

1)

(a)We just cited Rebbi Eliezer, who requires the two towns between which the murdered man was found to bring two Eglah Arufos. The Tana Kama of the Beraisa rules that - they do not bring a calf at all.

(b)We refute the suggestion that they are arguing over whether we say Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Adam (Rebbi Eliezer) or not (the Tana Kama) - because then the Tana Kama ought to have required them to bring one calf between them and to stipulate that it should cover the obligation of whichever town is the nearest.

(c)Clearly then, the Chachamim disagree with Rebbi Eliezer in that they hold - "Kerovah", 've'Lo K'rovos'.

(d)Rav Chiya bar Avin Amar Rav Amram finally resolves the She'eilah from another Beraisa, where the Chachamim of Rebbi Eliezer rule that the two towns bring one Eglah between them and stipulate that it will cover the obligation of whichever town is the nearest. Based on what we just learned, they cannot hold Efshar Letzamtzem, irrespective of whether they Darshen "Kerovah", va'Afilu Kerovos' or 'Kerovah ve'Lo Kerovos' - they can only hold I Efshar Letzamtzem, even bi'Yedei Adam.

2)

(a)According to Rebbi Tarfon in our Mishnah, the Kohen may pick the strongest of the twins as the B'chor. Why is that?

(b)Rebbi Chiya bar Aba queries Rebbi Yochanan, whom he quoted as saying that, according to Rebbi Akiva, the Kohen takes the weaker of the two, from our Mishnah, where he says 'Meshamnin Beinehen'. How does he initially interpret that?

(c)What had Rebbi Yochanan done whilst Rebbi Chiya bar Aba was still eating dates in Bavel?

(d)We learned in the Seifa of our Mishnah 'Meis Echad Meihen ... Rebbi Akiva Omer, ha'Motzi me'Chavero, alav ha'Re'ayah'. What is the problem with this, according to Rebbi Chiya bar Aba's interpretation of Meshamnin Beinehen?

2)

(a)According to Rebbi Tarfon in our Mishnah, the Kohen may pick the strongest of the twins as the B'chor - because in his opinion, that is the one that will have been born first.

(b)Rebbi Chiya bar Aba queries Rebbi Yochanan, whom he quoted as saying that, according to Rebbi Akiva, the Kohen takes the weaker of the two, from our Mishnah, where he says 'Meshamnin Beinehen', which he initially interprets to mean that - the owner and the Kohen split the difference between the two animals (because the Kohen has a share in both animals).

(c)Whilst Rebbi Chiya bar Aba was still eating dates in Bavel - Rebbi Yochanan had explained the meaning of Meshamnin Beinehen (to straighten out the apparent contradiction with the Seifa).

(d)We learned in the Seifa of our Mishnah 'Meis Echad Meihen ... Rebbi Akiva Omer, ha'Motzi me'Chavero, alav ha'Re'ayah'. According to Rebbi Chiya bar Aba's interpretation of Meshamnin Beinehen - Rebbi Akiva ought to have said there too, that the Kohen takes the weaker of the two.

3)

(a)How does Rebbi Yochanan therefore interpret Meshamnin Beinehen to concur with the Seifa?

(b)In what basic point does he disagree with Rebbi Chiya bar Aba?

3)

(a)Rebbi Yochanan therefore interprets Meshamnin Beinehen to mean that - they place the healthier animal in the middle, as it were, and tell the Kohen that if he can prove that it was born first, he can have it ('ha'Motzi me'Chavero ... ', like Rebbi Akiva learns in the Seifa).

(b)In that case - Rebbi Akiva does not hold that the Kohen owns a share in both animals, as Rebbi Chiya bar Aba understood.

4)

(a)According to the Tana Kama of our Mishnah, the second animal grazes in the meadow until it obtains a blemish (as we explained) and it is Chayav Matanos. What makes us assume that the Tana Kama is Rebbi Meir?

(b)How does Rava explain Rebbi Meir's reasoning?

(c)Then why does Rebbi Yossi exempt him from the Matanos?

4)

(a)According to the Tana Kama in our Mishnah, the second animal grazes in the meadow until it obtains a blemish (as we explained) and it is Chayav Matanos. We assume that the Tana Kama is Rebbi Meir - because it is learned S'tam (without a name), and we have a principle 'S'tam Mishnah, Rebbi Meir'.

(b)Rava explains that Rebbi Meir's reason is - because the Kohen can claim mi'Mah Nafshach, either give me the Matanos (as if it is a Pashut), or the animal (as if it is a B'chor).

(c)Rebbi Yossi nevertheless exempts him from the Matanos, he explains - because, based on the fact that the Kohen has a claim on one of the animals, the Chachamim consider it as if he would have received the second one, and, after it obtained a blemish, he sold it back to the owner for the first one (Chalipav be'Yad Kohen), in which case, the second one will be Patur from Matanos, as we learned in the first Perek.

5)

(a)According to Rebbi Elazar, everyone agrees that a Safek B'chor, such as the Seifa (where the animal gave birth to a male and a female) is Chayav Matanos. Who is 'everyone'?

(b)Why is that?

(c)Why is this not obvious? What other reason might we have ascribed to Rebbi Yossi?

(d)How do we reconcile this suggestion with the next Mishnah, where Rebbi Yossi specifically said to Rebbi Meir 'Kol she'Chalipav be'Yad Kohen Patur'?

(e)What did Rebbi Meir reply there?

5)

(a)According to Rebbi Elazar, everyone - even Rebbi Yossi, agrees that a Safek B'chor, such as in the Seifa (where the animal gave birth to a male and a female) is Chayav Matanos ...

(b)... because since the S'vara of Asu she'Eino Zocheh ke'Zocheh is based on the theory that the Kohen receives the first animal in exchange for the second one (Chalipav be'Yad Kohen) as we just explained, and in this case, no such exchange is even theoretically conceivable, there is no reason to exempt it.

(c)This is not at all obvious, because we might have presented Rebbi Yossi's reason - as a decree that if one obligates the owner to give the Kohen Matanos, he will consider the animal Chulin, and go on to shear it or to work with it, which is forbidden, even in the current case).

(d)Even though in the next Mishnah, Rebbi Yossi specifically said to Rebbi Meir 'Kol she'Chalipav be'Yad Kohen, Patur' - perhaps he is only using that as an argument to convince Rebbi Meir to change his mind and concede that, at least there, the animal will be Patur from Matanos ...

(e)... to which Rebbi Meir replied that - he remains unmoved.

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6)

(a)Rav Papa explains that everyone agrees that Safek Ma'aser is Patur from Matanos. What is the case of Safek Ma'aser?

(b)What would the Halachah there be?

(c)If 'everyone' refers to Rebbi Meir, what is the reason for Rav Papa's statement?

(d)Why is this not obvious? What other reason might we ascribe to Rebbi Meir that will apply to Safek Ma'aser as well?

6)

(a)Rav Papa explains that everyone agrees that Safek Ma'aser - where one of the counted animals jumped back into the pen containing the animals that had been declared Ma'aser is Patur from Matanos.

(b)The Halachah there would be - 'Yir'eh' (they all graze in the meadow until they obtain a blemish, when they may be redeemed and eaten by the owner).

(c)'Everyone' refers to Rebbi Meir, who concedes here that he is Patur - since (seeing as Ma'aser Beheimah is not given to the Kohen) the Kohen's argument of mi'Mah Nafshach does not apply to Ma'aser.

(d)This is not so obvious - since Rebbi Meir's reason may well be so that the institution of Matanos should not be forgotten (in which case it will apply to Safek Ma'aser as well).

7)

(a)How do we query this suggestion? What is the problem with it from Rebbi Yossi in the Seifa, who cites his reason to Rebbi Meir as 'Kol she'Chalipav be'Yad Kohen'?

(b)How do counter that? If Rebbi Meir holds Chayav even by Safek Ma'aser, why does the Tana present their Machlokes in a case of Chalipin?

7)

(a)We query this suggestion however, from Rebbi Yossi in the Seifa, who cites his reason to Rebbi Meir as 'Kol she'Chalipav be'Yad Kohen' - implying that they are arguing by a case where the Kohen can claim mi'Mah Nafshach (and not by Safek Ma'aser).

(b)And we counter that, even though Rebbi Meir himself might hold Chayav even by Safek Ma'aser, the Tana nevertheless presents their Machlokes in a case of Chalipin - to teach us that even in such a case (where the Kohen has a claim mi'Mah Nafshach), Rebbi Yossi will hold Patur (because of Asu es she'Eino Zocheh ke'Zocheh).

8)

(a)Rebbi Tarfon rules in the Seifa of the Mishnah that if one of the twins dies, the owner and the Kohen divide the second one. Why does this clash with his ruling in the Reisha 'ha'Kohen Borer lo es ha'Yafeh'? What ought he to have then ruled in the Seifa?

(b)How does Rebbi Ami reconcile his two statements?

(c)Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan compares the ruling of ...

1. ... Rebbi Tarfon to a case where two people deposited two sheep with a shepherd, one of which died. What is the Halachah there?

2. ... Rebbi Akiva to a case where Reuven depositsed a sheep with Shimon and when a sheep from Shimon's flock subsequently died, he claimed that it was the one that Reuven deposited with him. What is the Halachah there?

(d)What is the significance of this dual statement? What problem does it create with the respective opinions of Rebbi Tarfon and Rebbi Akiva?

8)

(a)Rebbi Tarfon rules in the Seifa of the Mishnah that if one of the twins dies, the owner and the Kohen divide the second one. According to his ruling in the Reisha 'ha'Kohen Borer lo es ha'Yafeh' he ought to have ruled here that - if the stronger one died, then the weaker one belongs to the owner, and if the weaker one died, the stronger one ought to go to the Kohen.

(b)Rebbi Ami explains that - in fact, Rebbi Tarfon retracted from his ruling in the Reisha.

(c)Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan compares the ruling of ...

1. ... Rebbi Tarfon to a case where two people deposited two sheep with a shepherd one of which died, where the Halachah is that - the shepherd places the remaining sheep between them and withdraws.

2. ... Rebbi Akiva to a case where Reuven deposited a sheep with Shimon and when a sheep from Shimon's flock subsequently died, he claimed that it was the one that Reuven deposited with him where the Din is that - we believe him, due to the principle ha'Motzi me'Chavero, alav ha'Re'ayah.

(d)The significance of this dual statement is - that this is how Rebbi Yochanan establishes Rebbi Tarfon and Rebbi Akiva respectively. The problem then is that since they are speaking in two different cases, what is their Machlokes?

9)

(a)Rava (or Rav Papa) explains what Rebbi Yochanan means. What will Rebbi Tarfon and Rebbi Akiva hold in the two above cases?

(b)Then what is the basis of their Machlokes? What is the case?

(c)Why does Rebbi ...

1. ... Tarfon maintain that the owner is Makneh a portion of the Chatzer to the shepherd?

2. ... Akiva hold that he is not?

9)

(a)Rava (or Rav Papa) explains what Rebbi Yochanan means. In fact - both Rebbi Tarfon and Rebbi Akiva will agree with both rulings in the two above cases (seeing as neither ruling is really arguable) ...

(b)... and the basis of their Machlokes is -whether, in a case where the shepherd happens to be a Kohen, and the sheep are on the owner's property, the owner will automatically be Makneh part of his Chatzer to the shepherd, to enable him to acquire the Bechoros as soon as they are born (Rebbi Tarfon) or not (Rebbi Akiva).

(c)Rebbi ...

1. ... Tarfon maintains that the owner is Makneh a portion of the Chatzer to the shepherd - in order to perform a Mitzvah with his money (by allowing the Kohen to rear his Bechoros on his [the owner's] property).

2. ... Akiva holds that he is not - because he anticipates that sometimes (such as in the case of a Safek B'chor), the fact that the Kohen possesses a share in the Chatzer will cause him a loss.

10)

(a)What does our Mishnah rule in a case where Reuven's two sheep give birth ...

1. ... to two firstborn males?

2. ... one, to a male and the other, to a female?

(b)The Tana Kama rules that, if they gave birth to two males and a female, then the Kohen takes one of the males and the owner keeps the other. What does Rebbi ...

1. ... Tarfon say?

2. ... Akiva say?

(c)The animal retained by the owner must graze ... ('Yir'eh'). The Tana Kama rules that it is Chayav Matanos. What does Rebbi Yossi say?

(d)Should one of the animals die, Rebbi Tarfon rules 'Yachloku'. What does Rebbi Akiva say?

10)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that in a case where Reuven's two sheep give birth ...

1. ... to two firstborn males - he must give both of them to a Kohen.

2. ... one, to a male and the other, to a female - he must give him the male only.

(b)The Tana Kama rules that, if they gave birth to two males and a female, then the Kohen takes one of the males and the owner keeps the other. According to Rebbi ...

1. ... Tarfon, this means that - he takes the stronger one.

2. ... Akiva, it means that - he takes the weaker one ('Meshamnin Beinehen').

(c)The animal retained by the owner must graze ... (Yir'eh). The Tana Kama rules that it is Chayav Matanos. According to Rebbi Yossi - it is Patur (as we explained in the previous Mishnah).

(d)Should one of the animals die, Rebbi Tarfon rules 'Yachloku'. Rebbi Akiva says 'ha'Motzi me'Chavero, Alav ha'Re'ayah'.

11)

(a)Why, in a case where the two animals gave birth to two females and a male, or to two females and two males, does the Kohen receives nothing?

(b)What is the final case, in which Rebbi Tarfon and Rebbi Akiva, and Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yossi, repeat their disputes?

(c)If the two babies were a male and a female, the Kohen receives nothing. Why is that?

(d)Why does the Tana find it necessary to present the Machlokes between Rebbi Tarfon and Rebbi Akiva three times? Having presented it in ...

1. ... the Reisha (where both Safek Bechoros are born from the same mother), why does he need to repeat it in the Metzi'asa (where they are born from two mothers)?

2. ... the Metzi'asa, why did he see fit to present it again in the Seifa (where one of the babies is not a firstborn)?

11)

(a)In a case where the two animals gave birth to two females and a male, or to two females and two males, the Kohen receives nothing - because it is possible that each animal gave birth to the female (first).

(b)The final case, in which Rebbi Tarfon and Rebbi Akiva, and Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yossi, repeat their disputes is - where one of the two males to which the two animals gave birth is not a firstborn.

(c)If the two babies were a male and a female, the Kohen receives nothing - because it is possible that the firstborn was the female.

(d)The Tana presents the Machlokes between Rebbi Tarfon and Rebbi Akiva three times, because had he only inserted it in ...

1. ... the Reisha (where both Safek Bechoros are born from the same mother), we would have thought that in the case of the Metzi'asa (where they are born from two mothers) - Rebbi Akiva will concede that the stronger one must be the B'chor, because its strength stems from its having been alone in its mother's womb, whereas the second male is weak, because it shared its mother's womb with its sister.

2. ... the Metzi'asa, he nevertheless saw fit to present it in the Seifa (where one of the babies is not a firstborn) - because we would otherwise have thought that in such a case, Rebbi Akiva will concede that we assume the firstborn to be the stronger baby.

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