BAVA BASRA 137 (14 Sivan) - Dedicated by Doug Rabin in memory of his mother, Leah Miriam bat Yisroel (Lucy) Rabin, in honor of her Yahrzeit.

1)

(a)In the Beraisa to which we just referred, Rebbi rules that in the case of Nechasai lach, ve'Acharecha li'Peloni, ve Yarad Rishon u'Machar ve'Achal, ha'Sheini Motzi mi'Yad ha'Lekuchos'. Why is that?

(b)What does Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel say?

(c)How does Reish Lakish establish the Machlokes?

(d)How will this explanation help us resolve what would otherwise be a contradiction in Halachos?

1)

(a)In the Beraisa to which we just referred, Rebbi rules that in the case of Nechasai lach, ve'Acharecha li'Peloni, ve'Yarad Rishon u'Machar ve'Achal, ha'Sheini Motzi mi'Yad ha'Lekuchos' because he holds that the Kinyan Peiros of first one is not considered a Kinyan ha'Guf, in which case, his sale is not valid ...

(b)... whereas Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel rules 'Ein le'Sheini Ela Mah she'Shiyer Rishon', because he holds that it is.

(c)According to Reish Lakish, both Tana'im hold 'Kinyan Peiros Lav ke'Kinyan ha'Guf Dami', and Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel's reason is because he considers 'Acharecha' a Kinyan ha'Guf.

(d)This explanation will help us resolve what would otherwise be a contradiction in Halachos inasmuch as on the one hand, this is one of the rare cases where we rule like Reish Lakish against Rebbi Yochanan, and on the other, we rule like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel (as Rebbi Yochanan will teach us later [a ruling with which Reish Lakish will not dispute]).

2)

(a)In another Beraisa, Rebbi authorizes Rishon to sell. What does Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel say?

(b)What problem does this Beraisa pose?

(c)We resolve the Setirah in Rebbi by establishing the first Beraisa when Rishon sold the Guf, and the second, when he only sold the Peiros (to which he is entitled). How do we resolve the Setirah in Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel?

(d)Seeing as Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds 'Kinyan Peiros ke'Kinyan ha'Guf (or that 'Acharecha' indicates that it is a Kinyan ha'Guf to begin with), why should Rishon then not be permitted to sell the property Lechatchilah?

2)

(a)In another Beraisa, Rebbi authorizes Rishon to sell. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel rules 'Ein le'Sheini Ela Mah she'Shiyer Rishon'.

(b)The problem with this Beraisa is that Rebbi and Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel seem to have switched their opinions.

(c)We resolve the Setirah in Rebbi by establishing the first Beraisa when Rishon sold the Guf, and the second, when he only sold the Peiros (to which he is entitled), and the Setirah in Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel by establishing the first Beraisa Bedieved (meaning that Rishon's sale is valid), and the second Beraisa Lechatchilah.

(d)Despite the fact that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds 'Kinyan Peiros ke'Kinyan ha'Guf (or that 'Acharecha' indicates that it is a Kinyan ha'Guf to begin with), Rishon is not permitted to sell the property Lechatchilah in order to comply with the wishes of the deceased.

3)

(a)To whom did Abaye refer as a 'Rasha Arum'?

(b)What does 'Arum' mean?

(c)Why did he say this about the advisor and not about the seller himself?

3)

(a)Abaye called a 'Rasha Arum' someone who advises the first beneficiary to sell the property (like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel).

(b)'Arum' means someone whose advice is accepted.

(c)He said this about the advisor who is intruding in a matter that does not concern him, and not about the seller himself who is acting within his legal rights.

4)

(a)After ruling like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, Rebbi Yochanan adds 'u'Modeh she'Im Nasnan be'Matnas Shechiv-M'ra, Lo Asah K'lum'. Who gave the Matnas Shechiv-M'ra?

(b)What does Rebbi Yochanan mean by 'Matnas Shechiv-M'ra'?

(c)What reason does Abaye give for Rebbi Yochanan's statement?

4)

(a)After ruling like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, Rebbi Yochanan adds 'u'Modeh she'Im Nasnan be'Matnas Shechiv-M'ra, Lo Asah K'lum'. It is Rishon who gave the gift in the form of a Matnas Shechiv-M'ra.

(b)By 'Matnas Shechiv-M'ra', Abaye means either literally or a Matnas Bari 'me'ha'Yom u'le'Achar Misah' (which is compared to a Matnas Shechiv-M'ra, as we learned earlier).

(c)Abaye's reason for Rebbi Yochanan's statement is because a Matnas Shechiv-M'ra only takes effect after the Shechiv-M'ra's death, at which point Acharecha has already acquired it (since 'Acharecha' implies the moment that Rishon has no more need for the property).

5)

(a)According to Abaye, a beneficiary acquires a Matnas Shechiv-M'ra at the point of the Shechiv-M'ra's death. What does Rava say?

(b)According to Abaye, who ought then to receive the property in the previous case?

(c)How do we reconcile Abaye's latter ruling with his interpretation of Rebbi Yochanan?

5)

(a)According to Abaye, a beneficiary acquires a Matnas Shechiv-M'ra at the point of the Shechiv-M'ra's death. Rava maintains that he acquires it only after his death.

(b)According to Abaye in the previous case, Acharecha ought to share the property with Rishon's beneficiary.

(c)To reconcile Abaye's latter ruling with his interpretation of Rebbi Yochanan, we are forced to say that he retracted from it (and conceded that Rava was right).

6)

(a)What does the Mishnah in Gitin say about someone who says 'Zeh Gitech Im Meisi, Zeh Gitech Im me'Choli Zeh, Zeh Gitech le'Achar Misah'?

(b)How do we prove from there that Abaye must have retracted from his latter ruling, and not from the former one?

(c)Why does Rebbi Zeira Amar Rebbi Yochanan need to rule like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel in a case where the gift includes Avadim Kena'anim, whom Rishon subsequently sets free? Why might we have thought otherwise?

(d)And why does Rav Yosef Amar Rebbi Yochanan need to rule like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel in a case where Rishon designated part of the property as shrouds for a dead person?

6)

(a)The Mishnah says in Gitin 'Zeh Gitech Im Meisi, Zeh Gitech me'Choli Zeh, Zeh Gitech le'Achar Misah Lo Amar K'lum'.

(b)We prove from there that Abaye must have retracted from his latter ruling and not from the former one because his earlier ruling conforms with the Tana, who declares all these cases effective only after the Shechiv-M'ra's death (like Rava) and not at the point of death (like Abaye's second ruling).

(c)Rebbi Zeira Amar Rebbi Yochanan needs to rule like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel in a case where the gift includes Avadim Kena'anim, whom Rishon subsequently sets free because we might otherwise have thought that the donor did not give him a gift for him to commit the sin of setting free an Eved (in which case, the Shichrur ought to be invalid, and the Eved goes to Acharecha after Rishon's death).

(d)And Rav Yosef Amar Rebbi Yochanan needs to rule like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, even if Rishon designated part of the property as shrouds for a dead person because we might otherwise have thought that the donor did not give him a gift for him to squander in this fashion (and that there too, his designation should be invalid ... ).

7)

(a)Rav Nachman bar Rav Chisda connects the case of 'Esrog Zeh Nasun l'cha be'Matanah ve'Acharecha li'Peloni; Natlo Rishon ve'Yatza Bo' with the current Machlokes Tana'im. Why, according to ...

1. ... Rebbi, is Rishon not Yotzei the Mitzvah of Esrog?

2. ... Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, is he Yotzei?

(b)What objection does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak raise with Rav Nachman bar Rav Chisda's interpretation? Why does he hold that Rishon will be Yotzei even according to Rebbi?

(c)When do Rebbi and Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel argue by Esrog, according to Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak?

(d)Why do we need to be presented with this Machlokes in respect of an Esrog, seeing as we already know it from the Beraisa (on the previous Amud) with regard to Karka?

7)

(a)Rav Nachman bar Rav Chisda connects the case of 'Esrog Zeh Nasun Lecha be'Matanah ve'Acharecha li'Peloni, Natlo Rishon ve'Yatza Bo' with the current Machlokes Tana'im. According to ...

1. ... Rebbi, Rishon is not Yotzei the Mitzvah of Esrog because all he has in the Esrog is a Kinyan Peiros (since he is not permitted to sell it), in which case it is not called 'Lachem'.

2. ... Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, he is because he has the right to eat the Esrog or to sell it, if he so wishes.

(b)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak objects to Rav Nachman bar Rav Chisda's interpretation on the grounds that even according to Rebbi, despite the fact that Rishon only has a Kinyan Peiros, it is still considered "Lachem", seeing as the owner gave him the Esrog for that specific purpose exclusively (without retaining any of it for himself).

(c)According to Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak, Rebbi and Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel do however, argue in a case where Rishon sold the Esrog or he ate it. According to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, the sale is valid and Rishon is Patur from paying; whereas according to Rebbi the sale is invalid and Rishon is liable to pay (neither will he have been Yotzei the Mitzvah of Esrog before having dispensed with it.

(d)Even though we already know this Machlokes from the Beraisa with regard to Karka, we need to be taught it again in respect of an Esrog because we might otherwise have thought that since the Esrog does not produce Peiros, Rebbi will agree that the owner must have given it to Rishon to eat or sell. The reason we do not say that is because being Yotzei the Mitzvah actually constitutes Peiros.

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8)

(a)Rabah bar Rav Huna discusses a case of brothers who purchased an Esrog from Tefusas ha'Bayis to use on Sukos. What is 'Tefusas ha'Bayis'?

(b)Under what conditions will they be able to fulfill the Mitzvah with that Esrog?

(c)Why is this case worse than the previous one, where Rishon fulfilled the Mitzvah even though he was not permitted to eat the Esrog, according to Rebbi?

(d)In view of Rabah bar Rav Huna's ruling, how can we permit the use of a communal Esrog, whereby each member of the community in turn, uses the Esrog?

8)

(a)Rabah bar Rav Huna discusses a case of brothers who purchased an Esrog to use on Succos from Tefusas ha'Bayis joint property that the deceased leaves his heirs, before it has been distributed.

(b)They will be able to fulfill the Mitzvah with that Esrog only if each brother would be able to eat his portion in it, and there remained an Esrog for each one (that they could potentially use [see also Rabeinu Gershom]).

(c)This case is worse than the previous one, where Rishon fulfilled the Mitzvah even though he was not permitted to eat the Esrog, according to Rebbi because whereas in the previous case, the Esrog belonged to Rishon exclusively, in this case, the brothers are joint owners, in which case the Esrog is not 'Lachem' (i.e. it does not belong exclusively to the one who is performing the Mitzvah with it) if he is not permitted to at it.

(d)In spite of Rabah bar Rav Huna's ruling, we permit the use of a communal Esrog, whereby each member of the community in turn, uses the Esrog because it is agreed (even though it remains unspoken) that when a person uses the Esrog, it is his (in the form of a Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir, which will be discussed shortly) exclusively.

9)

(a)Considering that the basis of this Halachah is the Pasuk in Emor "u'Lekachtem Lachem ba'Yom ha'Rishon P'ri Eitz Hadar", why do we not permit a jointly-owned Esrog (or Lulav ... ), like a jointly-owned garment is Chayav Tzitzis (from "al Kanfei Bigdeichem") and jointly-owned dough is Chayav Chalah (from "Arisoseicham")?

(b)Rava rules that if Reuven receives an Esrog as a 'Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir' to use on Sukos, and fails to return it, he has not fulfilled the Mitzvah. What is a 'Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir'?

(c)What is the reason for Rava's ruling?

(d)What is he coming to teach us?

9)

(a)Despite the fact that the basis of this Halachah is the Pasuk in Emor "u'Lekachtem Lachem ba'Yom ha'Rishon P'ri Eitz Hadar", we do not permit a jointly-owned Esrog (or Lulav ... ), like a jointly-owned garment is Chayav Tzitzis (from "al Kanfei Bigdeichem") and jointly-owned dough is Chayav Chalah (from "Arisoseicham") because it did not write "u'Lekachtem ba'Yom ha'Rishon P'ri Eitz Hadarchem", but "u'Lekachtem Lachem" which comes to preclude joint ownership.

(b)Rava rules that if Reuven receives an Esrog as a 'Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir' (a gift that belongs to the recipient temporarily, on condition that he then returns it) to use on Sukos, and fails to return it, he has not fulfilled the Mitzvah.

(c)The reason for Rava's ruling is since the condition was not fulfilled, it negates the gift retroactively, in which case, the Esrog was not 'Lachem'.

(d)He is coming to teach us that 'Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir' is a valid Matanah.

10)

(a)Based on the opinion of Rebbi Meir in Kidushin, what did Shmuel (in Gitin) institute with regard to the wording in the Get of a Shechiv-M'ra?

(b)According to Shmuel then, what ought to be the Din in the above case, where the owner of the Esrog did not make a Tenai Kaful?

(c)How will we then reconcile Rava with Shmuel?

(d)Should something happen to a Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir before the beneficiary has returned the article, he is not liable for Onsin. What about?

1. ... for Geneivah va'Aveidah?

2. ... for anything?

10)

(a)Based on the opinion of Rebbi Meir in Kidushin Shmuel (in Gitin) instituted a Tenai Kaful (a double condition) in the wording of the Get of a Shechiv-M'ra.

(b)According to Shmuel, the Din in the above case, where the owner of the Esrog did not make a Tenai Kaful ought to be that the Tenai is canceled and the gift is valid.

(c)In spite of Shmuel's Takanah, Rava considers the Tenai by Esrog valid because it is only with regard to Gitin and Kidushin (because of the Chumra of Eishes Ish), that we rule like Rebbi Meir and require a Tenai Kaful, but not in cases of Mamon (see also Tosfos).

(d)Should something happen to a Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir before the beneficiary has returned the article, he is not liable for Onsin. He is ...

1. ... not Chayav for Geneivah va'Aveidah either since he is not a Shomer.

2. ... however, Chayav for negligence.

11)

(a)Why did that woman give Rav Bibi bar Abaye the date-palm that she owned in the latter's field for the duration of his lifetime?

(b)What did Rav Bibi hope to gain by donating it to his small son?

(c)But did we not learn that even Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel forbids selling it Lechatchilah?

(d)We erase the Lashon 'Katan' from the text, even though there are ways of explaining it. How might we justify its inclusion?

11)

(a)That woman gave Rav Bibi bar Abaye the date-palm that she owned in the latter's field for the duration of his lifetime because whenever she wanted to cut it down, he stopped her from doing so (see Rabeinu Gershom).

(b)By giving it to his small son, Rav Bibi hoped that after he died, the tree would go to his son (like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel), rather than back to the owner.

(c)We did indeed learn that even Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel forbade selling it Lechatchilah but that is only because the donor stipulated 'Acharecha li'Peloni'. In the case of Rav Bibi, the woman made no such stipulation.

(d)We erase the Lashon 'Katan' from the text, even though there are ways of explaining it such as a grown-up son might have sold the tree back to the woman, something that a Katan cannot do; or because his young son still ate at his table, giving him continued access to the fruit.

12)

(a)What did Rav Huna Brei d'Rav Yehoshua mean when he commented 'Mishum de'Asu mi'Mula'i, Amrisu Mili Mulyasa'?

(b)What is the basis of this comment? Why would even Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel concede that in this case, by giving the tree to his son, Rav Bibi would not have achieved anything?

12)

(a)When Rav Huna Brei d'Rav Yehoshua commented 'Mishum de'Asu mi'Mula'i, Amrisu Mili Mulyasa', he meant that it was not because Abaye's family descended from the house of Eli (whose descendants were all destined to die before they reached the age of twenty), who in turn, resided in 'Mamla', that justified Rav Bibi's making statements that were 'cut off' (from the word 'la'Mul', to cut) ... or that were blemished (another connotation of the word 'Mulya').

(b)The basis of his objection is the fact that in this case, 'Acharecha' happened to be the owner herself, and it is obvious that, even according to Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, in such a case, a person puts himself first (even without having specifically said as much). Consequently, by giving the tree to his son, Rav Bibi would not have achieved anything.

13)

(a)What does Rava Amar Rav Nachman say in the case of Reuven, who declares Hekdesh an ox that Shimon gave him as a Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir?

(b)Why does this episode really belong after the ruling of Rava ('Esrog Zeh ... ['before that of Rav Bibi bar Abaye])?

(c)What was Rava's objection to his Rebbe's statement?

(d)How did Rav Ashi therefore qualify Rav Nachman's ruling?

13)

(a)In the case of Reuven, who declares Hekdesh an ox which Shimon gave him as a Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir Rava Amar Rav Nachman rules that if he then returned the ox, he will have fulfilled his obligation (and the Hekdesh will remain intact).

(b)This episode really belongs after the ruling of Rava ('Esrog Zeh ... ['before that of Rav Bibi bar Abaye]) because it is a branch of 'Matanah al-M'nas le'Hachzir', as is Rava's case (but it is not directly connected with the case of Rav Bibi bar Abaye).

(c)Rava's objection to his Rebbi's statement was the fact that he did not return the object in a way that the owner could benefit from it.

(d)Rav Ashi therefore qualified Rav Nachman's ruling by restricting it to where he said 'al-M'nas she'Tachzirehu' (which he did). Had he said 'al-M'nas she'Tachzirehu li', implying that he must return it in a way that he can benefit from it, the beneficiary would not have fulfilled the condition by returning a Hekdesh animal.

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